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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:aj.heggie@gmail.com">Andrew Heggie</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, June 8, 2019 1:29 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Dhan Hurley..... TLUD enhancements.... Whyaren'tthereany comments,except from what it seems is a Venture Capital Company?</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andrew,</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Your response describes how the Joule Thief works. Could you continue further to describe how it might work with a thermocouple (or pile) to get electricity from a wood stove, perhaps for an led light or a radio. This might be useful information for Dhan.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you,</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Kirk H.</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 at 06:34, Kirk H. <<a href="mailto:gkharris316@comcast.net">gkharris316@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'>I have not encountered the Joule Thief before. It appears from my search that it accumulates the low voltage electrical power, storing it in a coil, and then releases it periodically in a surge at a higher voltage. It reminds me of a dimmer switch which passes the full power, but only in short surges. The less time for the duration of the surge, the dimmer the light. The Joule Thief raises the wattage to a level that it can light the bulb, but only for short surges. Because the joule Thief is off between the surges the bulb would be dimmed and would not obtain full luminesce. The combination of thermocouple (there is nothing wrong with combining several together as a thermopile) and Joule thief seems worth looking into for getting electricity from a wood stove. It would be less sensitive to being overheated and damaged than a TEG.</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>The Joule thief was devised to get the very last bits of charge out of a single cell. As long as the voltage of the cell is initially high enough to overcome the forward voltage of the transistor in the circuit it will run and switch the current. The collapse of the field around the inductance then causes the forward voltage spike which is much higher than the voltage from the source and so typically will excite an LED which has a higher forward voltage than a single cell can provide (Lithium ion cells have a high enough voltage to light a LED without additional boosting). Once running the oscillation of the circuit keeps the current passing through the inductance and becomes independent of the voltage of the cell which still provided the current to sustain the device, thus it continues running until there is no charge left in the cell.</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You will see these circuits in the small flashlights which only require one cell (and very effective they are too compared with incandescent torches of my younger days).</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>LEDs are often modulated by switching circuits and they work too many times per second for the human eye to distinguish the repeated flashes.</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>Andrew</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>