<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Paul, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t know why there is no link on the CCA website but this is where you find at least the outline of the CCA forum on <a href="https://www.cleancooking2019.org/program/" class="">https://www.cleancooking2019.org/program/</a> </div><div class="">I intend to go. <br class=""><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="">On the book, it sounds like the one by Aprovecho. Ask Dean.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards</div><div class="">Christa</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
<div><br class=""><div class="">Am 09.08.2019 um 04:23 schrieb Anderson, Paul <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am sending this reply to the Stoves Listserv because a larger audience is appropriate. (and I changed to the correct address for Elisa Derby.)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It is typical that there is extremely little discussion about or by the CCA on the Stoves Listserv. It has been that way a long long time. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dean asks “Who is going to the CCA Forum in Kenya in November?” I looked at the CCA website and did not find info. It is not listed under “Events”. Is this the next installment of the bi-annual large meetings? Will there be announcements coming? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dean also wrote: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“The updated "Clean Burning Biomass Cook Stoves" will be done this Fall.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">New chapters on forced draft, TEG, combustion, heat transfer, project planning, Test Kitchen.” <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Is there any more info about that? Who is doing it? Are they reaching out to practitioners who are active about the chapters (new ones and continuing ones)? <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It would be good to have more info and more discussion.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Paul<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Email: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a> Skype: paultlud<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Website: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">www.drtlud.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dean Still <<a href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">deankstill@gmail.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 8, 2019 5:02 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Julien Winter <<a href="mailto:winter.julien@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">winter.julien@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Harris, Kirk <<a href="mailto:gkharris316@comcast.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gkharris316@comcast.net</a>>; Vi Rapp <<a href="mailto:vhrapp@lbl.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vhrapp@lbl.gov</a>>; Ronal W. Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>>; Anderson, Paul <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>; Norman Baker <<a href="mailto:ntbakerphd@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ntbakerphd@gmail.com</a>>; Larry Winiarski <<a href="mailto:larryw@gotsky.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">larryw@gotsky.com</a>>; Jock Gill <<a href="mailto:jg45@icloud.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jg45@icloud.com</a>>; Derby, Elisa <<a href="mailto:ederby@winrock.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ederby@winrock.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: making charcoal to help control climate change<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(235, 0, 0);" class="">[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="" class=""><a href="mailto:abuse@ilstu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">abuse@ilstu.edu</span></b></a></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(235, 0, 0);" class="">]<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Julien,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We measure all of the parameters you listed when R&D testing to evolve better combustion and heat transfer efficiency.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Then we move to the Controlled Cooking Test, under the hood in the country of interest, to have local cooks design the cooking function in the new stove using local fuels, pots, foods, etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That CCT process usually takes about 100 tests.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Usually takes about 100 water boiling tests when done sequentially to make significant progress in the lab. 2 tests per day= two months?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Anyone going to Nairobi for the CCA Forum?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The updated "Clean Burning Biomass Cook Stoves" will be done this Fall.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">New chapters on forced draft, TEG, combustion, heat transfer, project planning, Test Kitchen.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">All Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dean<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 2:22 PM Julien Winter <<a href="mailto:winter.julien@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">winter.julien@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Folks;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I agree with Dean. There is a lot of research yet to be done on TLUDs. There are several theoretical approaches and geometries possible with natural draft TLUD burner design. All this needs systematic testing of hypotheses by modifying one variable and holding many other variables constant. When more that one hypothesis is tested (e.g., concentrator diameter, riser height and specific gasification rate) then we need to test various combinations (a factorial design) … replicated. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Also into this mix are different types of fuel and fuel water content.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We need a big grant (that we don't spend on mass spectrometers and lasers) to run 1000s tests measuring basic parameters such as ficial velocity of primary air. excess air, CO, PM in the exhaust, and the super <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In the meantime, we do what we can by trial and error on an ad hoc basis. The good thing about the informal burner trials is that they have generated hypotheses to be tested more rigorously.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cheers,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Julien<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM Dean Still <<a href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">deankstill@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Kirk,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I would wait until the bugs are worked out?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The stove community has hurt itself a lot by promoting stoves that do not work well yet.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am laughed at by potential funders who have read the newspapers and blogs.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We are digging ourselves out of a hole that the stove community dug for itself.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Much better to downplay performance, never exaggerate.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">All Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dean<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:25 PM Harris, Kirk <<a href="mailto:gkharris316@comcast.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gkharris316@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><p class="">Dean,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Thank you for your considered response. I appreciate your expert input. Your concerns are an important part of what I was hoping could be brought into the public discussion on Science Friday. Dr. Anderson added some important input as well. Perhaps Julien, you would like to present your work on public radio, so the world can benefit from the knowledge of your efforts. I am not saying this system is perfect and is what we need to save the world (though it could help if we can stimulate politicians to be supportive). What I am asking is to bring this into the public discussion, instead of leaving it with a privileged few.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Kirk H.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 8/8/2019 12:02 AM, Dean Still wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Kirk,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Remember that black smoke is about 700 times worse for climate change than CO2 by weight.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1.) The energy in the wood really has to be used for a good purpose so it's not wasted and 2.) there needs to be no smoke or CO. And 3.the wood has to be sustainably harvested to be carbon neutral.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So far, I haven't seen anyone meet these three criteria so when asked I can't say that biochar is currently a supportable process.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Maybe a good idea but like other biomass schemes, such as cooking, needs a lot more R&D.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">All Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dean<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:52 PM Harris, Kirk <<a href="mailto:gkharris316@comcast.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gkharris316@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">All,<br class=""><br class="">For the last few months I have been trying to get a public radio<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">program, Science Friday, which frequently has programs on climate change<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">to bring into the discussion biomass power plants, especially plants<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">that remove CO2 from the atmosphere by producing char. The program<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">always includes solar, wind, and mechanical CO2 extraction from the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">atmosphere, but never includes the biomass options. I am hoping to get<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">the biomass options with their advantages, into the public discussion,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">and this seems to me to be a good place to start. Could you contact the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">program and ask them to include the biomass options in their<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">discussions. I understand this is not about TLUD cook stoves, but it is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">a related topic. Perhaps TLUD principles can be scaled up to work for a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">large scale power plant.<br class=""><br class="">Go to "Science Friday" and scroll to the bottom of the home page and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">click on "contact"<br class=""><br class="">Attached is my last communication with the Science Friday people.<br class=""><br class="">I have continued to experiment with stove concepts, with the goal of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">burning clean at high power levels in the TLUD-ND, enhancing the older<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">designs and trying some new variations. 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