<div dir="ltr">Re NAIROBI.<div><br></div><div>Have fun in the sun all of you and enjoy Nairobbery ;-)</div><div>regards from Rocket Works</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 20:00, <<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Stoves mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Charcoal stoves for Pacific Islands (Nikhil Desai)<br>
2. Re: Meeting on Rock Beds at CCA Forum, Nairobi, November 7<br>
(Christa Roth (bioenergylist))<br>
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 18:44:28 -0400<br>
From: Nikhil Desai <<a href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com" target="_blank">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Todd Albi <<a href="mailto:todd.r.albi@gmail.com" target="_blank">todd.r.albi@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>, David Stein<br>
<<a href="mailto:ambwat@gmail.com" target="_blank">ambwat@gmail.com</a>>, Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
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Subject: Re: [Stoves] Charcoal stoves for Pacific Islands<br>
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Todd:<br>
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I wonder what you meant by your claim "Producing charcoal is not viable or<br>
sustainable in the Pacific."<br>
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Charcoal can be made anywhere, and there is plenty of biomass transported<br>
from one side of the Efate island - where Port Vila, the capital is located<br>
- to another. (Efate was the only island with a circular road, and wood<br>
was collected and transported to the city by truck. In a horrendously<br>
tragic accident sometime in mid-2009, the young son of a man I had met just<br>
a month or so earlier fell off from top of the wood truck and was killed.)<br>
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I imagine the demand for charcoal came from some restaurants and similar<br>
commercial food preparers and some from homes with women who also worked<br>
outside home and thus didn't have the time to mess with wood. Electricity<br>
was around 30-50 USc/kWh and LPG probably around $3.50-4 per kg, so limited<br>
to some commercial and high-income residential customers. (I had electric<br>
and gas cooking, and solar water heater.)<br>
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Not only did i see charcoal piles myself in the city's central market, here<br>
is a story from a few years after I left.<br>
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<a href="https://dailypost.vu/news/municipal-wardens-clamp-down-on-use-of-plastic-bags/article_22856d26-cf04-5961-8a6c-a79ebf3f1173.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dailypost.vu/news/municipal-wardens-clamp-down-on-use-of-plastic-bags/article_22856d26-cf04-5961-8a6c-a79ebf3f1173.html</a><br>
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Ceramic or not, charcoal stoves have a market in Vila.<br>
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Nikhil<br>
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PS: Charcoal says a lot about urbanization and energy sector policies.<br>
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I can still recall my first meeting with David Stein who shocked me with<br>
his observation "In one generation, Melanesians and other Pacific Islanders<br>
have gone from traditional root carbs to rice, implicated in a sharp rise<br>
in diabetes."<br>
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I had just a year earlier done some field research in India where I had<br>
discovered something similar - rice, in particular the milled white rice,<br>
had nearly wiped out other grains considered "poor people's staple" (e.g.,<br>
millet), and that rice was also easier to grow. But this was different. So<br>
my reaction to David was, "Astounding! Why?"<br>
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For the first time ever in my life, someone I had just met told me,<br>
"Nikhil, you are not as smart as you think you are. The reason is simply<br>
what you were boasting about a few minutes ago, telling Liz Bates that one<br>
way to save energy in cooking was eating out. People have switched from<br>
root carbs to rice because it is easier and faster to cook. Same with pasta<br>
and buying ready food at the Chinese shops."<br>
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I didn't have to begin a discussion on charcoal or LPG or the silliness of<br>
woodfuel efficiency pursuit when wood is ample. David had confirmed my<br>
hypotheses about charcoal and that more efficient charcoal stoves were an<br>
easier sell than similar wood stoves. Urbanization opens up the<br>
opportunities for women outside home, and the value on girls' education<br>
goes up; both, in turn, raise the value of convenience, flexibility, in<br>
cooking. Charcoal wins hands down once there is a stable, sizable market.<br>
Kerosene and LPG come in too unless electricity is dirt cheap, as someone<br>
recently reminded me about one of the 'stans sometime.<br>
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 1:36 PM Todd Albi <<a href="mailto:todd.r.albi@gmail.com" target="_blank">todd.r.albi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> None:<br>
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> We have sent humanitarian containers to the Pacific successfully using our<br>
> SilverFire rocket stoves with palm fronds on the beach. The renewable<br>
> spathe is torn into strips and utilized for cooking. Producing charcoal is<br>
> not viable or sustainable in the Pacific and having them rely on<br>
> commercially dependent charcoal is inappropriate.<br>
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> Todd Albi, SilverFire<br>
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From: Christa Roth (bioenergylist) <<a href="mailto:stoves@foodandfuel.info" target="_blank">stoves@foodandfuel.info</a>><br>
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
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Subject: Re: [Stoves] Meeting on Rock Beds at CCA Forum, Nairobi,<br>
November 7<br>
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Kevin, we are in the Capital Heights Hotel just up the road from the Radisson talking biochar and TLUD devices with Paul Anderson and some people from Malawi and Kenya<br>
Regards Christa<br>
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Am 03.11.2019 um 18:17 schrieb K McLean <info@sun24.solar <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@sun24.solar" target="_blank">info@sun24.solar</a>>>:<br>
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Is anyone else here in Nairobi, yet? I'm here and I'm bored. Kevin<br>
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:37 AM K McLean <info@sun24.solar <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@sun24.solar" target="_blank">info@sun24.solar</a>>> wrote:<br>
Dear friends,<br>
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Next week many of us will meet at the Alliance for Clean Cooking Forum in Nairobi to discuss a host of exciting cooking topics.<br>
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One extraordinary innovation is cooking on a rock-bed, which offers a zero-cost solution that saves significant amounts of fuel and smoke, and purportedly adopted by millions of households already.<br>
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In an informal setting we like to present the experiences with the NGO Sun 24 and SNV.<br>
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In the morning, you are welcome to join us and meet with Kenyan cooks and trainers who can share their experiences.<br>
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After lunch, a comprehensive presentation will be provided on tests results conducted by SNV Vietnam (WBT, CCT and KPT) and Sun 24?s accomplishments in dissemination and other innovations, through videos, photos and testimonies.<br>
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We like to get your interest to strengthen M&E efforts, and to take a joint action to implement this where and whenever appropriate. <br>
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I hope you can find the opportunity to come by, please let Bastiaan or me know if you are available. If not, please tap on our shoulders at the various network moments.<br>
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See more on Sun24 Rock Bed Flyer <<a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1wGw60_7ITjdtoyCvRtr29UnHruzwq04fIEukcJUipcc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Cbteune%40snv.org%7C6d6de401170743ec0d3608d75c799103%7C44b97030a737446183c04f575c209c43%7C0%7C0%7C637079549503098231&sdata=BViJa6pfy5ftN%2BzaYBqZPfsCwo1AMjisv%2FIcGPbqShg%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1wGw60_7ITjdtoyCvRtr29UnHruzwq04fIEukcJUipcc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Cbteune%40snv.org%7C6d6de401170743ec0d3608d75c799103%7C44b97030a737446183c04f575c209c43%7C0%7C0%7C637079549503098231&sdata=BViJa6pfy5ftN%2BzaYBqZPfsCwo1AMjisv%2FIcGPbqShg%3D&reserved=0</a>> and <a href="https://snv.org/update/cooking-rocks-measuring-significant-fuel-savings-through-simple-solutions" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://snv.org/update/cooking-rocks-measuring-significant-fuel-savings-through-simple-solutions</a> <<a href="https://snv.org/update/cooking-rocks-measuring-significant-fuel-savings-through-simple-solutions" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://snv.org/update/cooking-rocks-measuring-significant-fuel-savings-through-simple-solutions</a>><br>
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Thursday November 7<br>
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10.00-12.00 hours: walk in; 13.00-15.00 hours: presentations<br>
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Nyati Meeting Room<br>
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Nairobi Radisson Blue<br>
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Kevin McLean info@sun24.solar <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@sun24.solar" target="_blank">info@sun24.solar</a>><br>
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Kevin McLean, President<br>
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