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            <td>Re: [Stoves] Improving cooking with charcoal</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Date: </th>
            <td>Sun, 3 Nov 2019 09:58:43 -0800</td>
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            <td>Harris, Kirk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gkharris316@comcast.net"><gkharris316@comcast.net></a></td>
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            <td>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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      Hi All,</div>
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    <div class="moz-forward-container">I have been thinking further on
      this question.  The rocks have a very small contact surface with
      the ground, and so the heat flow to the ground from the rocks is
      small.  This means that the rocks will get quite hot.  Two things
      here, the charcoal will be kept hotter then if it was on the
      ground, and the rocks will present considerable surface area to
      the incoming air and so preheat it.  Also the hot coals which fall
      between the rocks will preheat the incoming air.  These may have
      something to do with the improved performance of the rock bed. 
      Also, the char which falls to the ground between the rocks will
      produce CO, which has air to burn just below and directly inside
      the charcoal fuel stack, helping to keep it very hot.  There may
      be other advantageous chemical reactions which have to do with
      reduction, or the interaction of water vapor, which I know very
      little about.  Perhaps some or you, like maybe Crispin, could help
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    <div class="moz-forward-container">Kirk H.</div>
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      <p>Hi All,</p>
      <p><b class="">"We still don’t have an explanation why."</b></p>
      <p><span class="">I'll give it a shot.</span><b class="">  </b><span
          class="">Going back to the fire triangle telling us what is
          necessary for a fire, we need fuel, oxygen, and heat.  I also
          like to add mixing and time because fuel and oxygen cannot
          burn if they don't come into contact with each other (mixing),
          and chemical reactions take some time to occur.  Which of
          these is being effected by the stones?  Certainly there is
          more oxygen because air is able to pass between the stones to
          feed the fire from below.  A fire on a solid surface may loose
          heat to that surface, and the stones would reduce that
          surface, keeping more heat in the fire.  Char may fall between
          the stones giving more surface area for burning, increasing
          mixing.  All of these could increase the heat, keeping a flame
          burning above the charcoal, unless the cooking vessel is
          placed directly on the charcoal, which would extinguish the
          flame.  If there is a CO flame above the charcoal then the CO,
          which is a flammable fuel, will be burned, eliminating it from
          the exhaust, and increasing the available cooking heat.  </span></p>
      <p>Kirk H.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2019 7:59 AM, Ronal Larson
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                  of the pros and cons of making and cooking with
                  charcoal, charcoal will be used for cooking by many,
                  many people for decades to come.  Isn't the vast
                  majority of charcoal produced in the same dirty way it
                  was produced a fifty years ago?  And doesn't the vast
                  majority cook with charcoal essentially the same way
                  as fifty years ago?  Let's find more methods to
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          <b class="">[RWL1:  I agree with all.  I hope the emphasis in
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            - “Improving cooking with charcoal”).   So below,  I excise
            everything except Kevin’s surprising announcement from four
            countries  (Zambia,  Sierra Leone, Uganda, Kenya) ]that
            adding rocks and extra grates (no cost and low cost
            respectively) apparently gave MUCH (>40%) improved
            cooking performance.   We still don’t have an explanation
            why.  Kevin is doing more tests.  Can anyone else help with
            trying to optimize these two new stove ideas?</b></div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Dear Friends</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">I like the
                          discussion about what to test for, and what to
                          measure, and how, and where results should
                          lead.  It has been a long time since an open
                          discussion was held. We have had years of
                          advocacy for a particular method, not what is
                          needed leading to a test designed to do that.
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            class="">[RWL2:  Not sure of the intent here, but I am
            advocating against controlled cooking tests. We must use the
            water boiling test to be able to compare across stove types
            with and without stones and extra grates.</b><br class="">
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Charcoal
                          stoves have many advantages over wood stoves,
                          including benefits of the char as an energy
                          carrier. It is light, easily dried, and
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            class="">[RWL3:   Yes, char is light, but per unit volume,
            most biomass is superior.  You can put more megajoules via
            wood into any of the 4 char-burners that Kevin has
            introduced than you can via char.  Volumes can be as
            important as weight.  The big advantage of a wood stove over
            a char-using stove is that the wood (or other combustibles)
            can be turned into biochar - see next.</b><br class="">
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                          relatively easily ignited. The fact that
                          people crate char wastefully and burn it
                          inefficiently and incompletely is not an
                          attribute of the fuel but of the managers.</span></p>
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            class="">[RWL4:  Agree in part on charcoal stove advantages.
             I think a main one is that, once lit, they don’t need the
            attending that most wood stoves do. (TLUDS don’t need much
            tending).   I am torn on supporting Kevin in studying rocks
            and grates, because the production is so bad (Kevin’s#1
            point above), and because the charcoal can be so important
            when treated as biochar (dozens of advantages - but mainly
            energy, climate and food).  But I agree with all of Kevin’s
            points above -  ethically we should all be trying to make
            the horrible practice of cooking with charcoal as less evil
            as we can</b>.<b class=""> Cooking while making char is a
            good topic as well - but not in this thread.</b>
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                        popular to say that charcoal makes “a lot of
                        smoke” when it is made, it is only true when
                        people do that, and not when they don’t.  </span></p>
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            class="">[RWL5:  Like Kevin - I worry a lot about how it is
            made - but production is not the theme of this thread</b><br
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                        users of charcoal fuel are cooks in Cambodia.
                        They are effective and frugal and have been
                        doing it for thousands of years. Maybe we can
                        learn something from them.</span></p>
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            class="">[RWL6:  Cambodia could be appropriate - especially
            if they can tell us anything about using rocks or extra
            grates. A cite on Cambodian charcoal being more efficient in
            usage?  No need for a cite in this thread on char production
            - even via TLUDs.</b></div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Regards</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Crispin</span></p>
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                            class="" lang="EN-US"> Ronal Larson <<a
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                            <b class="">Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 30,
                            2019 19:14<br class="">
                            <b class="">To:</b> Discussion of biomass
                            cooking stoves <<a
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                            Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a
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                            Kevin McLean > <<a
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                            <b class="">Cc:</b> Christa Roth <<a
                              href="mailto:stoves@foodandfuel.info"
                              target="_blank" class=""
                              moz-do-not-send="true">stoves@foodandfuel.info</a>><br
                              class="">
                            <b class="">Subject:</b> Improving cooking
                            with charcoal</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Crispin, Kevin,  List,  cc
                          Christa</p>
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                          </span>Note change in thread title.   The
                          previous were under the name “no subject”-
                          which wouldn’t help researchers not around for
                          this thread (which is going well).<span
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                                              27, 2019 9:01 AM</span><span
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                                                moz-do-not-send="true">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></span><span
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                                              style="font-size: 10pt;
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                                              [Stoves] (no subject)</span><span
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><span
                                        style="font-size: 12pt;
                                        font-family: Helvetica,
                                        sans-serif;" class="">Here is a<span
class="gmail-m_6343832323420919572apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F167i50oweyfe23bRMnDSeJwlu0eM4IgTek6IO2C6JPes%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd9ec2f74d13049f204fa08d75d8ec8b4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637080740148782634&sdata=50qonsQ30NwtTdhm1UFaoLnAnRAE3hq0ZQWg%2FFARzJI%3D&reserved=0"
                                          target="_blank" class=""
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">report
                                          from Zambia</a><span
                                          class="gmail-m_6343832323420919572apple-converted-space"> </span>indicating
                                        that the rock bed and second
                                        metal grate improve the
                                        efficiency of the Zambian mbaula
                                        (all-metal) charcoal jiko by
                                        41%.  Cooking time is also
                                        greatly reduced.  While these
                                        testers have no training, their
                                        results are consistent.</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                      style="background:white"><span
                                        style="font-size: 12pt;
                                        font-family: Helvetica,
                                        sans-serif;" class="">This is
                                        such a simple modification that
                                        dissemination could be very
                                        rapid.  I hope some of you can
                                        try this. </span><span
                                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"
                                        class=""></span></p>
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                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"
                                    class=""> </span></p>
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                                  <div class="">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><span
                                        style="font-size: 9pt;
                                        font-family: Helvetica,
                                        sans-serif;" class="">On Thu,
                                        Oct 10, 2019 at 1:37 PM K McLean
                                        <<a
                                          href="mailto:info@sun24.solar"
                                          target="_blank" class=""
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">info@sun24.solar</a>>
                                        wrote:</span><span
                                        style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"
                                        class=""></span></p>
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                                              style="background:white"><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
                                                font-family: Helvetica,
                                                sans-serif;" class="">Listmates,</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""> </span></p>
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                                          <div class="">
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
                                                style="font-size: 12pt;
                                                font-family: Helvetica,
                                                sans-serif;" class="">Has
                                                anyone tried this?</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""> </span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="background:white"><span
                                                  style="font-size:
                                                  12pt; font-family:
                                                  Helvetica,
                                                  sans-serif;" class="">We
                                                  seem to have
                                                  significantly
                                                  increased the
                                                  efficiency of charcoal
                                                  jikos by putting a bed
                                                  of rocks on the jiko's
                                                  grate and putting
                                                  second metal grate on
                                                  the rock bed.  The
                                                  charcoal goes on the
                                                  second metal grate. 
                                                   2-3 cm rocks work. 
                                                  It works in all metal
                                                  jikos and clay jikos
                                                  that we've tested. </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                                style="background:white"><span
                                                  style="font-size:
                                                  12pt; font-family:
                                                  Helvetica,
                                                  sans-serif;" class="">Our
                                                  testing is early and
                                                  unscientific, but
                                                  consistent.  25-50%
                                                  less fuel used.  Here
                                                  are three reports. 
                                                  The Sierra Leone
                                                  report has good photos
                                                  at the bottom.</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                                    style="font-size:
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                                                    class=""><a
href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F12MvBKjxq6PCGCcCHAjSYSeVXXvl7jWjD%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd9ec2f74d13049f204fa08d75d8ec8b4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637080740148782634&sdata=QUKUqFK7%2BSRPyu3kcVSZDJR6QIz%2FNVrYFJNOruqRPl0%3D&reserved=0"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      class=""
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="">Sierra
                                                        Leone</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                                  style="background:white"><span
                                                    style="font-size:
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                                                    class=""><a
href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1zQIY49E1vrfjYl7t5V_shvw70d67QirGWUrbW51tDxo&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd9ec2f74d13049f204fa08d75d8ec8b4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637080740148792643&sdata=gcU31g2xkNP6CvATAaOYiagHuLr2AotChRIUHTkSBTQ%3D&reserved=0"
                                                      target="_blank"
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="">Uganda</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                                  style="background:white"><span
                                                    style="font-size:
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                                                    Arial, sans-serif;"
                                                    class=""><a
href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1MPwHCwKEVqJvuybKB5Yj39nr8fbcopBP&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd9ec2f74d13049f204fa08d75d8ec8b4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637080740148802651&sdata=4REjkNM%2BzaufoOuOIuT%2BDcnQE%2BH7FYfljlHg6K3dRlY%3D&reserved=0"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      class=""
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">Kenya
                                                      (very few rocks)</a></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="background:white"><span
                                                    style="font-size:
                                                    12pt; font-family:
                                                    Helvetica,
                                                    sans-serif;"
                                                    class="">(The report
                                                    authors are
                                                    untrained and not
                                                    native English
                                                    speakers. 
                                                    Especially the Kenya
                                                    report contains many
                                                    errors. Please focus
                                                    on the consistent
                                                    final conclusion
                                                    that a rock bed and
                                                    second metal grate
                                                    significantly reduce
                                                    firewood usage.)</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""> </span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="background:white"><span
                                                  style="font-size:
                                                  12pt; font-family:
                                                  Helvetica,
                                                  sans-serif;" class="">This
                                                  may be a very low
                                                  cost, very easy way to
                                                  greatly improved the
                                                  efficiency of charcoal
                                                  jikos.  I'd like to
                                                  hear if there is
                                                  already a body of work
                                                  on this.  Here is my
                                                  rough drawing:</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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                                                      style="font-size:
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                                                      class=""><20191010_133359.jpg></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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