<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Everyone;<br><br>I also would like to be included in a list of people discussing TLUD design - but, I tend to think it ought to be an open discussion here on the stove's list without letting previous conclusions dictate directions forward. I recognize that is a very careful balance between harebrained half-concocted imaginative ideas and old-school understanding but the result is creative ideas and inspirations. Recently, we had a TLUD Summit at Aprovecho. It was enormously productive because everyone involved brought everything they could think of to the table for discussion. It was also incredibly busy. But, I would not trade the experience for anything because I was exposed to so many ideas from so many people and, luckily, I think I was able to help out a few people attending.<br><br>Norm<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM <<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Stoves mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Invitation to join off-list dialog on a different type of<br>
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Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:39:40 -0700<br>
From: Ronal Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br>
To: Andrew Heggie <<a href="mailto:ajheggie@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajheggie@gmail.com</a>>, Discussion of biomass cooking<br>
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Andrew:<br>
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Definitely intended - hopefully within weeks. Just don?t want to bother the list if there are fundamental (mostly cost, I now worry about) reasons to not promote this maybe hare-brained set of ideas.<br>
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Thanks for the support.<br>
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Ron<br>
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> On Nov 16, 2019, at 3:37 AM, <a href="mailto:ajheggie@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajheggie@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 at 00:36, Ronal Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Anyone want to be part of this off-list, few-week dialog?<br>
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> Ronal I see you want replies off list but make an exception; I'm not<br>
> sure why you wish it to be off list but hope you'll bring it back here<br>
> after your brainstorming.<br>
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 02:36:16 +0000<br>
From: "Anderson, Paul" <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>><br>
To: Discussion of biomass <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>, Ronal<br>
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Subject: Re: [Stoves] Invitation to join off-list dialog on a<br>
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Ron and all,<br>
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I just got back from the CCA Forum in Kenya, and found out I have just found out that messages from the stove Listserv have not been received by me.<br>
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Yes, I would like to be include in the discussion about variations of TLUD stoves.<br>
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Paul<br>
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[Stoves] Invitation to join off-list dialog on a different type of TLUD<br>
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From:<br>
Ronal Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br>
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Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
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Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
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List:<br>
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I have been thinking for about a week on how to make a ?better? TLUD. I have a scheme in mind that has these features:<br>
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- should be able to take over a larger percentage of cooking and heating tasks than presently available commercial TLUD models. (for one, more than one cooking port)<br>
- should be lower cost than the usual TLUDs - by virtue of local manufacture and assembly (following work of Kevin McLean)<br>
- would separate the chimney from the pyrolysis chamber (taller, and some horizontal flow paths - also reported by Kevin)<br>
- would emphasize annual costs and income - not first costs (an investment - not a cost)<br>
- is amenable to biochar use of more produced char (my primary motivation)<br>
- more ideas not listed here - all assuming open source use by anyone; no patents intended.<br>
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Anyone want to be part of this off-list, few-week dialog? (Trying to avoid mis-statements; I have not yet finished a draft that is already too long).<br>
Replies requested off-list.<br>
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Ron<br>
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