<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Crispin and List<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 26, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Thanks for the additional input, Ron.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">>[RWL1: My guess is that Ag people almost everywhere have this dung-use concern. Dung use is seen all over the world’s most populous country - India.</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In Tajikistan there is a fuel crisis (trees all cut down with no replanting effort of adequate size to compensate). Fuel efficiency is very important to everyone, however cost dominates. There is a lot of coppicing taking place – very common between fields. The remaining fuel is dung and the land is being deleted of some essentials due to the burning of what used to be applied annually from collected wastes.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL1': This loss-of-forest problem is probably the main one for this list’s existence. But there are others.</b></div><div><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></b></div><div><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Biochar is one way to help with soil productivity. A big problem I’m working on with Kevin McLean is burning of crop wastes in the field. Terrible to not get some useful cooking from that energy. When you say “<i class="">burning of what used…</i>”, I assume you mean in-field burning? Directly applicable to this list’s purpose.</b></div><div><b class=""><br class=""></b><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">[RWL2: I wonder if the “tray" stove under question is felt to have those characteristics? If not, why not? The flame looked good enough.</b><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The tray is a drying platform. The fuel is fed in one piece at a time. Based on observations, this would happened roughly every 10-15 minutes. The reason the flame is so clean is partly from burning dry dung and partly from being a tall “flame space”. This vertical dimension is often missing from traditional stoves, especially India is an example of that. The traditional stove is too short to burn biomass properly. It takes a minimum of about 350mm to burn a complex biofuel cleanly (unless it is a downdraft combustor).</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL2’: I think this list should avoid trying to improve dung-burning stoves. But the “tray” approach (feeding fuel from above) might help some of us. In any case a nice stove.</b></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div id="response_container_BBPPID" class=""><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">…Model 2 in later iterations during the Kyrgyz stove project. The final version for heating above 10,000 ft is the KG2.5. It is larger, the kind of stove that would be used in Pamir in Tajikistan. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class="">[RWL: Can you give us a cite for both those stoves?</b><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It is mentioned<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41533-019-0144-8.epdf" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">here</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>but it is not a technical description. Full drawings are available<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.newdawnengineering.com/website/library/Stoves/Kyrgyzstan/KG%20Model2/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">here</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for the Model 2 and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.newdawnengineering.com/website/library/Stoves/Kyrgyzstan/KG%20Model2.5/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">here</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for the Model 2.5. The latter has a full set of cast iron tops and mould patterns etc. The KG2.5 also gets a mention in the main technical<a href="https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/31282" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">document</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>previously referenced.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL: Thanks. I looked at all. Not going to continue this part of the thread because almost entirely on coal and heating - neither being the reason for this list.</b><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div id="response_container_BBPPID" class=""><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">There is a large amount of char that goes to the fuel with the ash.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class="">[RWL: This last sentence not clear.</b><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">There is a large amount of char that goes to the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">field</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with the ash. I was surprised how much, actually. I took photos. Carbonized dung is one way to get char to the field, but it is enormously wasteful as a processed fuel. Somewhat less than half the energy is released in the stove meaning that more than twice as much dung has to be collected, processed into cakes, dried in the sun, collected, transported, and stored under shelter, then carried again into the house through the winter. It is a terrible waste of human energy to “make char” from dung.</span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL; Thanks for clearing up “fuel” vs "field"</b></div><div><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Disagree of course on char. There are 200-250 papers per month on biochar - at least half on field results. But the benefit is also on removing excess atmospheric carbon - which is beginning to get some dollars for biochar. And - potentially - char-making stoves.</b><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div id="response_container_BBPPID" class=""><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">…the MM2 from Ulaanbaatar. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class="">[RWL: another cite for the MM2 stove?</b><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Modified Mongolian Traditional Stove version 2.0. This has an end-lit crossdraft operating style (ELCD) with a flame tube mounted horizontally between the combustion chamber and the extended heat exchanger. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The main problem with the traditional stove converted from burning wood and dung to burning coal is the loss of thermal efficiency (and too much excess air at all times). So the heat exchanger was enlarged to compensate based on some simple modeling of the heat losses to the room. The KG2 series is based on the MM2, with the KG2.5 including a higher level heat exchanger. This allowed the tilting of the flame tube upwards at 20 degrees giving it superior ignition behavior.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">An other significant change is that the chimney extends into the heat exchanger to near the bottom, creating a downdrafting heat exchanger, which is far superior particularly at lower power. The flame tube is a generic improvement that can be added to any biomass burner that has a “smoky fuel” problem. Adding a flame tube to the traditional stove (and nothing else) reduced emissions of PM<sub class="">2.5</sub><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>by more than 80% and only cost $1. It was rejected by the main sponsor of the stove replacement project on the basis that it was “too cheap”. They had been instructed to spend a huge amount of money. To this day, this locally-devised solution has not been incorporated into the traditional baseline stove design.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL: Sad story!. But seems to all be about coal and heating stoves. So I’m not going to continue that thread - per list rules.</b></div><div><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> And I still don’t know where to read up on the "flame tube”. Is there a connection to non-coal cook stoves?</b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></div><div><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></span></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div id="response_container_BBPPID" class=""><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">The result is a controllable flame, very much better combustion efficiency, higher temperatures and better CO combustion. The fuel saving is large - maybe 50%. The KG2.5 is about 88+90% efficient (LHV). <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class="">[RWL: Great news. What portions of that efficiency number for cooking and heating?</b><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">That is the heating efficiency. Cooking comes before the heat exchanger so whatever the cooking efficiency is (depends on the power setting) that is subtracted from the space heating efficiency. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL: Surprising that no-one is measuring the cooking efficiency number.</b></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div id="response_container_BBPPID" class=""><div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I think the Ag people think that dung is a better offer. If only half the work is needed for fuel preparation and it provides faster cooking, a more controllable fire, less chimney cleaning and less 50% transport, it is a good choice. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class="">[RWL: Those of us in the biochar business hear a different story. Will certainly depend on the increased NPP. We hear of increased NPP factors like 2x, 3x, 4x with biochar.</b><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Many this are said about biochar that are not fully descriptive of the exact circumstances in which this yield was determined. Any such claims should be automatically greeted with measured skepticism. The Japanese have been researching this for centuries and show that for particular fields with particular deficiencies that yields can be improved using a particular tree species prepared in a particular way applied in a particular dose. Many of the claims for biochar improvement (char being almost entirely inert) can be replicated using vermiculite. I am sorry so many over-claims have been made for biochar because it is distracting from the scientific work that goes into understanding its potential. The Cameroonian field tests (previously discussed here) are a particularly egregious example of such hubris.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL: Today’s Terra Preta soils in the Amazon are valued at 2-4 times of non-char soils - because they provide about that much improved productivity yield. Your Japanese story is different from the one I hear.</b></div><div><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Plenty of good data on yield (and much more) at <a href="http://www.biochar-international.org" class="">www.biochar-international.org</a> and <a href="http://www.biochar-us.org" class="">www.biochar-us.org</a>. See </b><a href="https://www.biochar-journal.org/en/home" class="">https://www.biochar-journal.org/en/home</a> , <a href="http://www.ithaka-journal.net/?lang=en" class="">http://www.ithaka-journal.net/?lang=en</a>, </div><div><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Some sites that support your view? Cameroon?</b></div><div><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div><b class="">Ron</b></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Stay well, everyone<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Crispin<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" class="">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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