<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Stoves list:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>This message is to alert the stoves list to a paper entirely about biochar - but with a heavy emphasis on char-making stoves. Many lessons in here for those of us interested n char-making stoves.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Comments? Is there a better recored anywhere else?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Ron Larson" <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" class="">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">[Biochar] [CDR] Biochar as multi-purpose sustainable technology: experiences from projects in Tanzania | SpringerLink</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">June 30, 2020 at 9:17:57 PM MDT<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:Biochar@groups.io" class="">Biochar@groups.io</a><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io" class="">main@Biochar.groups.io</a><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">List:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>This is to recommend a paper on biochar that has raised more than the usual number of comments on the CDR list I consider this a first rate paper - mostly showing failures of nine biochar projects in Tanzania. Of importance to me is that the in-field performance of biochar was exceptionally good. Lots of good cites here. There are many lessons here for trying to get biochar adopted where it makes a lot of sense.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Non fee at <a shape="rect" href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10668-020-00809-8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10668-020-00809-8</a>. Less than 2 weeks old.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Comments?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Ronal Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" class="">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [CDR] Biochar as multi-purpose sustainable technology: experiences from projects in Tanzania | SpringerLink</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">June 30, 2020 at 7:18:50 PM MDT<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Greg Rau <<a href="mailto:ghrau@sbcglobal.net" class="">ghrau@sbcglobal.net</a>>, "Carbon Dioxide Removal Group (<a href="mailto:CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com" class="">CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com</a>)" <<a href="mailto:CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com" class="">CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Andrew Lockley <<a href="mailto:andrew.lockley@gmail.com" class="">andrew.lockley@gmail.com</a>>, James Lavin <<a href="mailto:Lavin@lavinllc.com" class="">Lavin@lavinllc.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com" class="">CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com</a> <<a href="mailto:CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com" class="">CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com</a>>" <<a href="mailto:carbondioxideremoval@googlegroups.com" class="">carbondioxideremoval@googlegroups.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Greg, List and ccs</div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>I’ve now read and even partially re-read this paper. For anyone on this list interested in biochar and spending a few hours a week on biochar - this article is a must, I strongly recommend it.</div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> If biochar interest is at the few hours a year level - I can’t recommend the paper - too detailed on a small part of only one CDR approach. </div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> See 3 Greg-related inserts below.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 29, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Greg Rau <<a href="mailto:ghrau@sbcglobal.net" class="">ghrau@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="ydp2ad7f5efyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div class=""></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">As moderator of the CDR list, all topics of global/general CDR relevance are welcome.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote>`<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><b class="">[RWL: I think this article qualifies - because it is a huge article for biochar enthusiasts. I think it helps this list because it is real world - no theory here. The article authors are clearly interested in the “global/general” side of CDR.</b><br class=""><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="ydp2ad7f5efyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">Regional studies (e.g.,Tanzania) are less so unless they significantly inform the global topic.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><b class="">[RWL: Again, I think the article qualifies because Tanzania is quite representative of sites where CDR can be of most value. If this paper reported on one implementation, then this list should not be bothered. But this paper is reported to cover EVERY application of biochar in Tanzania. Their count of 9 is about 7-or 8 more than I would have guessed existed. Mostly failed or discontinued - but mostly positive-to-very- positive results in the field. That is informative.</b></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="ydp2ad7f5efyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class=""> Information/debate that can/could significantly rather than incrementally move the global CDR needle is what I think we're most interested in here, regardless of what field it comes from. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><b class="">[RWL: I put this paper in the “significantly” rather than “incrementally” category. Coming from a respected Swedish University, it is apt to greatly influence the way all the Nordice countries handle CDR and especially biochar projects. Biochar is moving slowly - but it seems to be moving faster than any other CDR approach. I predict this paper will influence a lot of international resources - because the research was well done and fixes seem obvious.</b></div><div class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class=""><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>I have to report that many of the 9 projects included use of charcoal-making cookstoves - a topic I have worked on for more than 25 years. This mostly favorable report on biochar will also go to the 1000-member “stoves” list - to which I have only recently returned. This mainly for biochar reasons that are supported in this paper. (No successful stoves reported either.)</b></div><div class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class=""><b class="">Ron </b></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="ydp2ad7f5efyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">Greg </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div id="ydpd508c4b8yahoo_quoted_4259469313" class="ydpd508c4b8yahoo_quoted"><div class="" style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);"><div class="">On Monday, June 29, 2020, 10:16:15 AM PDT, James Lavin <<a href="mailto:lavin@lavinllc.com" class="">lavin@lavinllc.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div id="ydpd508c4b8yiv1204981819" class=""><div class="">I’m against. Biochar is extensively covered at Biofuels Digest and in many other places. Unfortunately its production in a carbon neutral manner is almost non-existent and its application in really boosting soil carbon is more limited than what is touted—Georgia peanut areas yes, Iowa no. It’s part of many of the terrestrial biological solutions— a moral hazard that delays real progress on DAC, mineralization, and ocean based solutions.<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">James Lavin</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jun 29, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Andrew Lockley <<a href="mailto:andrew.lockley@gmail.com" class="">andrew.lockley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I'd like to hear other views. This isn't a biochar list, nor a CCS list. There are other places people can get that content. Most of that isn't written with a CDR focus.<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">I'm unsure how much, if any, such content readers wish to see on the list. <br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Andrew </div></div></div><br clear="none" class=""><div class="ydpd508c4b8yiv1204981819gmail_quote"><div class="ydpd508c4b8yiv1204981819gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, 16:11 Ronal Larson, <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote class="ydpd508c4b8yiv1204981819gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;">Andrew cc List<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>“<i class="">CDR-adjacent”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i> makes more sense - but also needs explanation. Having well over half of all CDR articles and all CDR companies doesn’t fit my use of the word “adjacent”. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span> I have not felt “<i class="">swamped</i>” either. And in any case, you brought the article in yourself - and I hope you continue doing so.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Ron<br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 29, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Andrew Lockley <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:andrew.lockley@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">andrew.lockley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><div class="">I meant to write CDR-adjacent.<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">I think the CDR list could get swamped if we cover a lot of CCS / biochar. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Andrew </div></div><br clear="none" class=""><div class="ydpd508c4b8yiv1204981819gmail_quote"><div class="ydpd508c4b8yiv1204981819gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, 14:20 Ronal Larson, <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote class="ydpd508c4b8yiv1204981819gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;">Andrew and list:<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>I’ve just skimmed the paper. It looks well done, addressing some important issues (doesn’t mention China where real science is occurring).<br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>I don’t understand “<i class="">a be like CCS</i>”. It<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>produces rather than consumes energy, increases soil productivity, provides many more jobs, etc). </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">`<span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span>Can you explain<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">“”bit CDR-adjustment</i>? </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>Yes I want biochar on the list.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Ron<br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 29, 2020, at 6:43 AM, Andrew Lockley <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:andrew.lockley@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">andrew.lockley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Poster's note: do you want biochar on the list? It's a bit like CCS, in that there's a ton of literature, but it's a bit CDR-adjustment </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><a shape="rect" href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10668-020-00809-8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10668-020-00809-8</a><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Open Access</div><div class="">Published: 19 June 2020</div><div class="">Biochar as multi-purpose sustainable technology: experiences from projects in Tanzania</div><div class="">Anders Hansson, Simon Haikola, […]Noah Pauline </div><div class="">Environment, Development and Sustainability (2020)Cite this article</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">308 Accesses</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">1 Altmetric</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Metricsdetails</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Abstract</div><div class="">Biochar was recently included as a promising negative emissions technology (NET) in the Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5 °C published by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Unlike other NETs, it can potentially be used to mitigate global climate change while adding to local resilience in countries highly exposed and sensitive to impacts of climate change, such as least-developed countries (LDCs). The study is as an empirical contribution to the, as of yet, underdeveloped literature on deployment of negative emissions technologies in LDCs in general and on biochar use in developing countries and LDCs specifically. Nine historical and existing biochar projects in Tanzania are mapped in order to analyse problems, goals and common trade-offs associated with small- to medium-scale biochar production in LDCs. The mapping is based on a literature and document study, interviews with project actors, and on-site visits to biochar projects during 2019. The paper gives support to the observation made in the biochar literature that while biochar has many potential socio-economic and environmental benefits, combining them in one single project is difficult. It is concluded that implementing biochar projects in Tanzania will likely involve trade-offs between the development and subsistence strategies and needs of local communities, the motivational forces of different project participants, and the uneven regulatory capacity of the state. 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