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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Dr Raman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You now, I made the same comparison when I first heard about a “breakthrough” two years ago. At the time I was told it would be available in “2 or 3 years” and the mooted efficiency was 35%. This
recent announcement and explanation fits that description so I am assuming the technology is the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The breakthrough is the generation of electron motion “parallel to the heat flow direction”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This modelling <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306261917315799">
study</a> looked at how it would affect the performance of a large truck. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">David: I believe this is one description of a novel device using Co<sub>2</sub>MnGa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://revolution-green.com/demonstration-unconventional-transverse-thermoelectric-generation/">https://revolution-green.com/demonstration-unconventional-transverse-thermoelectric-generation/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">They refer to “longitudinal thermopower” and “transverse thermoelectric generation”. However the article I was reading referred to was this one (as I recall).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://revolution-green.com/researchers-develop-magnetic-thin-film-spin-thermoelectric-energy-conversion/">https://revolution-green.com/researchers-develop-magnetic-thin-film-spin-thermoelectric-energy-conversion/</a>
Then follow the link.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Raman P<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 04, 2021 6:03<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Op-Ed - Realizing the Benefits of Combined Heat and Power Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The discussion on TEG is very much interesting. Earlier I worked on TEG subject and published the results in Energy Journal.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">35% efficiency and 100 $ per kW looks unbelievable numbers. If it happens that will be a great breakthrough. Even, The IC engine’s power generation efficiency is less than 30% only. Let us hope for the best.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dr. P Raman<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 04-Jun-2021, at 14:21, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:initial">It is a little to describe without drawings but essentially it is like this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:initial">A regular TEG creates current across the line of contact between the two metals that are heated and cooled, that is, along the glue that joins them. As a result the generator is a large number of tiny generators
soldered together, directing the electricity towards the cold side. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:initial">The new invention produces a current in the same direction as the heat flow. As a result the generator occupies the entire surface and is not made of a lot of tiny parts. The whole surface is "generator"
and it has no circuitry. There is therefore a far simpler fabrication process. I understand it is baked twice, first at more then 1100 C then again higher. It means it will be able to operate in a flame environment as far as I conceive it. Being cooled continuously
on the back means the front face could be very hot so no need for thermal bonding.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:initial">All these features indicate a game-changer for off-grid generation. Imagine a bit attached to your car's exhaust pipe generating 50 or 100 kW. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> June 3, 2021 2:18 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Re: [Stoves] Op-Ed - Realizing the Benefits of Combined Heat and Power Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This is really of interest to people living in Ontario, however it points a way forward to include more biomass-fired heating and cogeneration of electricity.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It is public knowledge and posted here to stimulate discussion.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There is a new technological breakthrough for Thermoelectric Generators (TEGs) which should hit the market in a few years. It gives a dramatic improvement in conversion efficiency
(heat to electricity). According to disparate sources, the efficiency might be in the range of 35% and the cost is slashed. We can talk of $100 per KW for the modules.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The laws in Ontario have been updated with advice from the CSA technical committee rewriting B415.1 – the standard for space heating appliances that burn wood. There is even a
new method for assessing the emissions of site-built masonry heaters in B415.1. The general idea is to promote wood fuel over diesel in remote communities.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As new TEGs become available, it is a very attractive option and smaller and smaller scale.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please find attached an opinion editorial by Minister of the Environment, Conservation and Parks, Jeff Yurek, highlighting
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