<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Paul,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The benefit of cooking solely with lpg is better health. But when stacked with "unclean" cooking, the lpg health benefit is largely erased. And as the ESMAP document says, stacking is widespread. They acknowledged the stacking problem at the webinar, didn't they? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">More directly, the adoption of lpg by families now cooking with biomass will not significantly improve the health of most of those families due to stacking.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Kevin</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 1:14 AM Paul S Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">This is a link: <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocuments1.worldbank.org%2Fcurated%2Fen%2F440901626157056956%2Fpdf%2FComparison-of-Bottled-Gas-and-Advanced-Combustion-Pellet-Stoves.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7C8c356a07643942ee7ccc08d99248c7e7%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637701664454923659%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=a2N3kFT%2BDkRzfBCLdBrPXqQ88hQHWjs0Hz%2BP09VBfjM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
<span style="color:black">Comparison of Bottled Gas and Advanced Combustion Pellet Stoves</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">To cookstove enthusiasts.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Above is an attachment and also a link of interest to all Stovers and also those biochar folks interested in cookstoves that make biochar.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Notes: The attachment(and message below) is from TODAY’s webinar session on LPG. Very important about the direction of world stove efforts.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">A. The Clean Cooking Alliance (CCA) is now focused on “Advanced cooking solutions” as has been defined by ESMAP (of the World Bank) back in Tech Report 007/15 back in 2015.
<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Stove-Classification-2017-04-10.pdf" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">This is exclusively Electricity, LPG, Natural Gas, Biogas, Alcohol, Solar (what are referred to as “clean cooking fuels”) plus ONLY ONE TYPE OF STOVE THAT USES SOLID BIOMASS FUEL. That biomass stove type
is for the micro-gasifiers, commonly called TLUD stoves. <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">B. Charcoal and kerosene and other “improved cookstoves (ICS)” are really out of the picture except as something to be replaced.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">C. Even in the world concerned about climate change and CO2 emissions from fossil fuels, LdPG is presented as having net lower emissions than the traditional and ICS stoves. (Actually true because of black
carbon and incomplete combustion). And even LPG is considered to be something of a stepping stone to using electricity eventually for all the world’s cooking beyond 2050, (or some bio-sourced LPG, that I do not pretend to understand).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">C. And that leads to the linked document that compares LPG with the ONE type of biomass stoves that is in the “Advanced Combustion” category, the micro-gasifiers. And the article focuses on pellet stoves
and therefore with fans. Totally ignores the natural draft TLUD stoves.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">D. There is no mention that the TLUD micro-gasifiers are actually Carbon NEGATIVE. Because they make biochar, they are the ONLY cookstoves of any type that accomplish long term carbon dioxide REMOVAL, transforming
via pyrolysis 50% of the carbon atoms in biomass by photosynthesis. For climate improvement, the world should WANT the people who are already cooking with solid dry biomass to continue to cook with biomass fuel, but with a stove that is not only clean (meeting
the ESMAP requirements as advanced cooking) but also accomplishing carbon sequestration by making biochar AND earning income for these impoverished people (while using only about half of the same biomass that they use now with traditional cookstoves. Cumulatively,
the current 500 million households that cook on solid fuels could sequester over 200 million tonnes of CO2e per year, bringing income via carbon credit sales to the world’s poorest 40% of population. But those facts are NOT mentioned in either document.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">E. Note that these works are by ESMAP, a highly respected entity. But the talking points of the LPG lobby are found in the documents. I thank ESMAP for the 2015 publication and for not forgetting about
pyrolytic cookstoves in these 2021 documents, but they are overlooking important aspects of TLUD stove technology. We have a climate to save and need all the possible help. The money that the fossil fuel companies (and the governments that they influence)
will put into LPG for the poor (so that the LPG business can make a profit) could accomplish so much more if directed to making available to the poor the acknowledged ADVANCED cookstoves that use biomass and make biochar, the TLUD stoves. I have published
about this previously and can provide details for action. TLUD stoves for the poor and for the climate are an opportunity waiting to be recognized.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">F. And apparently the CCA has bought into this LPG advocacy hook, line and sinker. I hope that someone will forward this message to the leadership of the CCA and anyone interested in cookstoves and climate
and biomass and biochar. Biochar producing TLUD micro-gasifier stoves have been ignored repeatedly by the CCA and the GACC and the PCIA, going back many many years. A little support once in a while would be appreciated, or even a chance to present such
info at a CCA forum. <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(When responding via the discussion groups, please ALSO send to my personal email address (
<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> ) because I am not able to receive the messages sent via the Stoves Listserv., but I do receive the messages sent to the biochar discussion group.)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">
<span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.drtlud.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a> Skype: paultlud<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.JuntosNFP.org</span></a> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Inventor of RoCC kilns and author of Biochar white paper : See
<a href="http://www.woodgas.energy/resources" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.woodgas.energy/resources</span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Author of “<i>A Capitalist Carol</i>” (free digital copies at
<a href="http://www.capitalism21.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.capitalism21.org</span></a>)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ESMAP <<a href="mailto:esmap@worldbank.org" target="_blank">esmap@worldbank.org</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 18, 2021 10:05 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> ***PRESENTATION ATTACHED*** THE WEEK OF CLEAN COOKING SERIES OF WEBINARS: Joint ESMAP-Clean Cooking Alliance: The Role of Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) As a Household Fuel | October 18, 2021
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