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<div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">I concur with Ron's memory. I have seen the unit in Alex English's workplace when running. It is a chain grate combustor burning hammer-milled construction waste with a particle size
between 2 and 12 inches. I once saw 500 tons of it on the premises. Apparently these days the price has made it economically unviable. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">The chain grate burner produced heat for greenhouses which gives you an idea about the sale of the op. By setting the speed of the chain grate. Alex could make ask only, small kibble
sized char, or larger as he wished. This addresses the problem raised by Paul. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Alex solved all the problems of loading a few dozen tons of fuel into a flat floored shed. Then feeding that semi-continuously to one side using an anger that could advance laterally
along the floor. Then a conveyor that removed one-sided pieces, and an elevator that dropped fuel into a rotating X each cavity of which drops a portion into the combustor, variable speed, of course. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">The system was run by a laptop and (what really impressed me) sent him an email in the night if something when wrong, alerting him as to the nature of the problem. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">It could make as much heat and char as was required. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">You will not want to build one of these systems in your garage. You could probably build a scale model fuel with sawdust. </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kirk and Ron, Thank you both for including my direct address so that I would receive a copy.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I encourage Kirk to continue, but Ron’s comments indicate so difficulties, especially because larger size needs more money to show a viable unit.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. I do point out that this would not be TLUD technology. It is more akin to flame cap pyrolysis.
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. the vibration can keep the materials flowing, but it the layer of biomass (becoming char) is too thick, some way of getting the bottom biomass up to the surface could be needed.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. The diagram / plan does not address the technology of creating the desired electricity. Easier said than done. If it is to be with boiler / steam technology, inputs / comments from a boiler business should be sought.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">1. I suggest that your ideas have merit and should be pursued. I see nothing wrong with your diagram. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"> 15 or more years ago, on the stoves list, Alex English modified an existing commercial unit somewhat like your design - mainly by speeding up the moving biomass. I believe considered successful</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">2. But I believe yours is too large a jump up for any single person to accomplish without big money behind them.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">a. Make a sales pitch to work with companies already doing something similar - I think there may be more that 20 in the US alone, with a thermal output focus. The competition against PV, wind and batteries
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">b. Pick a smaller size final need and apparatus, where there is little going on. In this case continuous (non-batch) charcoal-making heating stoves.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">c. Maybe focus on a do-it-yourself audience - willing to use horizontal 200 liter drums.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">3. I’d focus on wood chips - as being much cheaper and more readily available than pellets. Large pieces of wood don’t look at all amenable to what you are proposing. I don’t see much happening with chips
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">4. Conceivable that such a stove user could make money while heating.</span></p>
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For several years I have been working on an efficient burner for wood gas from a TLUD wood stove. The burner is well along, and is very efficient. Now my attention has turned to producing wood gas and char on a larger scale for a carbon negative (relating
to the atmosphere) electrical power plant. Attached are documents which describe where the idea is going. The pyrolyzer is a brainstorming idea. The bluff body burner is quite well developed.<br>
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