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<p>All,</p>
<p>Some very constructive comments so far. I am very fortunate.
Thank you!</p>
<p>Ron, very constructive indeed, thank you. I would like to see
the work by Alex English. He has impressed me in the past. You
give some valid warnings and options.<br>
</p>
<p>Paul, some good insights and cautions. Both you and Ron suggest
reaching out to professionals in the appropriate fields, which is
an excellent thought. Advice from experts in vibrating tables
would be included. <br>
</p>
<p>Frank, thank you for the information and a differing point of
view. I looked at the diagrams you sent. It appears to me that
the involved company, Syncraft, views the charcoal as a fuel (as
is the case with most biomass to electricity designs) and mostly
burns it. The saved charcoal appears to be what the system failed
to burn. What I am looking for is a system where electricity and
charcoal are held as equal value products. The Syncraft system
goes through a complex system of filtering and cooling, so the
heat energy does not go into the electricity, only some of the
chemical energy. The burner I presented is very efficient for
burning wood gas, and produces very little in the way of
particulates. The heat of pyrolysis and wood gas combustion go
straight into the steam, and modern boilers and steam turbines are
very efficient. The Syncraft system is a legitimate system for
what it is, but it is a different concept then what I was looking
for. I don't consider my efforts to be solely American, but
rather to put forward something that can help mitigate climate
change and wild fires world wide, and to replace some amount of
fossil fuels.</p>
<p>Frans, language differences makes it difficult for me to
understand what you have written. Your thought that a biomass
system will return CO2 to the atmosphere does make biomass systems
more difficult to promote. Good point! The fact that half the
carbon in the fuel is saved for sequestration doesn't seem to make
a difference to some. I would like to see your pyrolyser design.</p>
<p> Crispin, it is good to know that Alex advanced so far. Such a
system can work! That is good to know. Do you know anything of
the quality of the char? With the focus today on climate change,
and the damage fossil fuels are doing, perhaps such a system
should be revisited.</p>
<p>Thank you all for such productive responses,<br>
</p>
<p>Kirk H.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/2021 9:28 PM, Ron Larson
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<span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Kirk and stoves list. 2
ccs</span>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Constructive
(?) comments:</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.
I suggest that your ideas have merit and should be pursued.
I see nothing wrong with your diagram. </span></div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-size: 14px; white-space: pre;"> </span><span
style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> 15 or more years ago, on
the stoves list, Alex English modified an existing commercial
unit somewhat like your design - mainly by speeding up the
moving biomass. I believe considered successful</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.
But I believe yours is too large a jump up for any single
person to accomplish without big money behind them.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Three
solutions:</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>a.
Make a sales pitch to work with companies already doing
something similar - I think there may be more that 20 in the
US alone, with a thermal output focus. The competition
against PV, wind and batteries is likely too tough in this
size range.. </span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>b.
Pick a smaller size final need and apparatus, where there is
little going on. In this case continuous (non-batch)
charcoal-making heating stoves.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>c.
Maybe focus on a do-it-yourself audience - willing to use
horizontal 200 liter drums.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.
I’d focus on wood chips - as being much cheaper and more
readily available than pellets. Large pieces of wood don’t
look at all amenable to what you are proposing. I don’t see
much happening with chips for combined char-making and
heating.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.
Conceivable that such a stove user could make money while
heating.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Constructive?</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> Ron</span></div>
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<div class="">All,<br class="">
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For several years I have been working on an efficient
burner for wood gas from a TLUD wood stove. The burner
is well along, and is very efficient. Now my attention
has turned to producing wood gas and char on a larger
scale for a carbon negative (relating to the atmosphere)
electrical power plant. Attached are documents which
describe where the idea is going. The pyrolyzer is a
brainstorming idea. The bluff body burner is quite well
developed.<br class="">
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Constructive comments are welcome,<br class="">
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Kirk H.<br class="">
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