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<p>All,</p>
<p>Sorry about the first email. I intended to hit delete but
accidentally hit send.</p>
<p>Kirk H.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/26/2021 12:04 PM, Kirk Harris
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<p>All,</p>
<p>Some very constructive comments so far. I am very fortunate.
Thank you!</p>
<p>Ron, very constructive indeed, thank you. I would like to see
the work by Alex English. He has impressed me in the past. You
give some valid warnings and options.<br>
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<p>Paul, some good insights and cautions. Both you and Ron
suggest reaching out to professionals in the appropriate fields,
which is an excellent thought. Advice from experts in vibrating
tables would be included. <br>
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<p>Frank, thank you for the information and a differing point of
view. I looked at the diagrams you sent. It appears to me that
the involved company, Syncraft, views the charcoal as a fuel (as
is the case with most biomass to electricity designs) and mostly
burns it. The saved charcoal appears to be what the system
failed to burn. What I am looking for is a system where
electricity and charcoal are held as equal value products. The
Syncraft system goes through a complex system of filtering and
cooling, so the heat energy does not go into the electricity,
only some of the chemical energy. The burner I presented is
very efficient for burning wood gas, and produces very little in
the way of particulates. The heat of pyrolysis and wood gas
combustion go straight into the steam, and modern boilers and
steam turbines are very efficient. The Syncraft system is a
legitimate system for what it is, but it is a different concept
then what I was looking for. I don't consider my efforts to be
solely American, but rather to put forward something that can
help mitigate climate change and wild fires world wide, and to
replace some amount of fossil fuels.</p>
<p>Frans, language differences makes it difficult for me to
understand what you have written. Your thought that a biomass
system will return CO2 to the atmosphere does make biomass
systems more difficult to promote. Good point! The fact that
half the carbon in the fuel is saved for sequestration doesn't
seem to make a difference to some. I would like to see your
pyrolyser design.</p>
<p> Crispin, it is good to know that Alex advanced so far. Such
a system can work! That is good to know. Do you know anything
of the quality of the char? With the focus today on climate
change, and the damage fossil fuels are doing, perhaps such a
system should be revisited.</p>
<p>Thank you all for such productive responses,<br>
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<p>Kirk H.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/2021 9:28 PM, Ron Larson
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<span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Kirk and stoves list. 2
ccs</span>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Constructive
(?) comments:</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.
I suggest that your ideas have merit and should be pursued.
I see nothing wrong with your diagram. </span></div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-size: 14px; white-space: pre;"> </span><span
style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> 15 or more years ago, on
the stoves list, Alex English modified
an existing commercial unit somewhat like your design -
mainly by speeding up the moving biomass. I believe
considered successful</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.
But I believe yours is too large a jump up for any single
person to accomplish without big money behind them.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Three
solutions:</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>a.
Make a sales pitch to work with companies already doing
something similar - I think there may be more that 20 in the
US alone, with a thermal output focus. The competition
against PV, wind and batteries is likely too tough in this
size range.. </span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>b.
Pick a smaller size final need and apparatus, where there
is little going on. In this case continuous (non-batch)
charcoal-making heating stoves.</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>c.
Maybe focus on a do-it-yourself audience - willing to use
horizontal 200 liter drums.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.
I’d focus on wood chips - as being much cheaper and more
readily available than pellets. Large pieces of wood don’t
look at all amenable to what you are proposing. I don’t see
much happening with chips for combined char-making and
heating.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.
Conceivable that such a stove user could make money while
heating.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Constructive?</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> Ron</span></div>
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For several years I have been working on an efficient
burner for wood gas from a TLUD wood stove. The
burner is well along, and is very efficient. Now my
attention has turned to producing wood gas and char on
a larger scale for a carbon negative (relating to the
atmosphere) electrical power plant. Attached are
documents which describe where the idea is going. The
pyrolyzer is a brainstorming idea. The bluff body
burner is quite well developed.<br class="">
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Constructive comments are welcome,<br class="">
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Kirk H.<br class="">
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