<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Aaron;</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Please tell us more about your TLUD. Video is interesting and beautiful.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Norm</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 10:04 AM <<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Stoves mailing list submissions to<br>
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Here is a video I made of a TLUD Natural Draft stove that has adjustable Secondary Air. This stove is burning wood pellets.<br>
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The long wavy flames have as much secondary air turned off as possible. The tight blue flames are the result of almost maximum secondary air pre-mixed into the wood gas. During the video I am adjusting the air flow up and down to show the results of different air/fuel ratios.<br>
<br>
I believe these kinds of flames are only possible with very good pre mixing, which until now has been very difficult to control and keep lit.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/yKPfAlPXCMY" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/yKPfAlPXCMY</a><br>
<br>
Anyway, I thought someone around here might be interested in these results.<br>
<br>
Feel free to Email me at <a href="mailto:awingle@hotmail.com" target="_blank">awingle@hotmail.com</a><br>
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Thank you for your time,<br>
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Dear Paul:<br>
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In my view, the following aspects comes to mind when selecting a stove for<br>
a particular project:<br>
<br>
Cultural aspects: what type of cooking is done: frying, cooking, oven<br>
baking or baking over a griddle? The ergonomics of the cooking: at table<br>
level or ground level?<br>
<br>
Socio economics: will the community pay for the stove, partial pay or no<br>
payment at all? My experience is that when people do not pay anything, the<br>
care of the stove is more likely neglected, versus when there is some<br>
cost-sharing the beneficiary does take better care of the stove. We have<br>
had cases where we had to reinforce our casted concrete stoves against<br>
border breakage with a metal border, due to poor care by extremely poor<br>
beneficiaries.<br>
<br>
Geography: Is the weather cold (indoor cooking) or hot (outdoor cooking),<br>
and the ventilation patterns? Stove with lateral heat loss may be<br>
interesting for space heating, and for outdoors cooking a chimney may not<br>
be necessary.....<br>
<br>
Fuel availability: Will there be plenty of fuel available and at what<br>
cost? What type of fuel does the stove need? Some stoves, for instance,<br>
may need very small firewood sticks, and perhaps beneficiaries may be<br>
resistant to spending time splitting the wood. There are cases that<br>
beneficiaries modified the stove fuel entrance, for larger firewood, which<br>
changed the stove performance.<br>
<br>
Stove assembly: An off the shelf stove will be easier, faster and cheaper<br>
to install? or a localy built stove that may require a stove master to set<br>
it up?<br>
<br>
Just some quick thoughts about it....<br>
<br>
Rog?rio<br>
<br>
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> Colleagues:<br>
> I would like to know if any of you have prepared a document to guide<br>
> project planners in selecting an appropriate stove for a particular<br>
> location. What site and user considerations are important?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you,<br>
><br>
> Paul Arveson<br>
><br>
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Hi Aaron<br>
Very beautiful! Is it a forced draft?<br>
Veronica <br>
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On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 01:36:55 AM GMT, A J <<a href="mailto:awingle@hotmail.com" target="_blank">awingle@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: <br>
<br>
Here is a video I made of a TLUD Natural Draft stove that has adjustable Secondary Air.? This stove is burning wood pellets.??<br>
? ? ? The long wavy flames have as much secondary air turned off as possible.? The tight blue flames are the result of almost maximum secondary air pre-mixed into the wood gas.? During the video I am adjusting the air flow up and down to show the results of different air/fuel ratios.<br>
I believe these kinds of flames are only possible with very good pre mixing, which until now has been very difficult to control and keep lit.??<br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/yKPfAlPXCMY" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/yKPfAlPXCMY</a><br>
<br>
Anyway, I thought someone around here might be interested in these results.??<br>
Feel free to Email me at <a href="mailto:awingle@hotmail.com" target="_blank">awingle@hotmail.com</a><br>
Thank you for your time,<br>
Aaron Wingle<br>
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Dear Paul:<br>
<br>
In my view, the following aspects comes to mind when selecting a stove for<br>
a particular project:<br>
<br>
Cultural aspects:? what type of cooking is done: frying, cooking, oven<br>
baking or baking over a griddle??? The ergonomics of the cooking:? at table<br>
level or ground level?<br>
<br>
Socio economics: will the community pay for the stove, partial pay or no<br>
payment at all?? My experience is that when people do not pay anything, the<br>
care of the stove is more likely neglected, versus when there is some<br>
cost-sharing the beneficiary does take better care of the stove.?? We have<br>
had cases where we had to reinforce our casted concrete stoves against<br>
border breakage with a metal border, due to poor care by extremely poor<br>
beneficiaries.<br>
<br>
Geography:? Is the weather cold (indoor cooking) or hot? (outdoor cooking),<br>
and the ventilation patterns?? Stove with lateral heat loss may be<br>
interesting for space heating, and for outdoors cooking a chimney may not<br>
be necessary.....<br>
<br>
Fuel availability:? Will there be plenty of fuel available and at what<br>
cost?? What type of fuel does the stove need?? Some stoves, for instance,<br>
may need very small firewood sticks, and perhaps beneficiaries may be<br>
resistant to spending time splitting the wood. There? are cases that<br>
beneficiaries modified the stove fuel entrance, for larger firewood, which<br>
changed the stove performance.<br>
<br>
Stove assembly:? An off the shelf stove will be easier, faster and cheaper<br>
to install? or a localy built stove that may require a stove master to set<br>
it up?<br>
<br>
Just some quick thoughts about it....<br>
<br>
Rog?rio<br>
<br>
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> Colleagues:<br>
> I would like to know if any of you have prepared a document to guide<br>
> project planners in selecting an appropriate stove for a particular<br>
> location.? What site and user considerations are important?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you,<br>
><br>
> Paul Arveson<br>
><br>
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