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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Paul, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The stoves list is still active with 943 subscribers. We don’t know how many are “live”. Only a few have posted in recent months including Andrew, Crispin, Ron, Kevin, Rogerio, Stephen Joseph etc. Some, like Chalrie, have just been quiet. You posted in October and December 2021. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We have considered migrating the list to the Groups.io server where we host Biochar which we migrated from Yahoo. . There are advantages, including a smart phone app, but we would like to preserve the archives and we don’t know if that is possible yet. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tom <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Stoves Owner<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Stoves <mailman-bounces@bio.bioenergylists.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anderson, Paul<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 21, 2022 5:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> Patricia Mcardle <solarwind1@me.com>; stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org; stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Is the Stoves list functioning again? RE: New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Patricia and ALL,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am in favor of Retained Heat Cookers. But I write here about the STOVES LIST SERVE. This is the FIRST message I have received in over 2 years. Why did it come through? (Note that Patricia sent to TWO addresses, and we do not know yet which one worked.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Now we will see if MY message reaches anyone? Kirk, Dean, Tom, Christa, Ron, Crispin, Dave, and all the others. Please reply so I / we know what has reached you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would love to seen the Stove listserv functional again!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.drtlud.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><span style='color:#0563C1'>psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a> Skype: paultlud<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP Go to: <a href="http://www.juntosnfp.org/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.JuntosNFP.org</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Inventor of RoCC kilns and author of Biochar white paper : See <a href="http://www.woodgas.energy/resources"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.woodgas.energy/resources</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Author of “<i>A Capitalist Carol</i>” (free digital copies at <a href="http://www.capitalism21.org/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.capitalism21.org</span></a>)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Patricia Mcardle <<a href="mailto:solarwind1@me.com">solarwind1@me.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 21, 2022 11:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>; <a href="mailto:stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=left width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='background:#A6A6A6;padding:5.25pt 1.5pt 5.25pt 1.5pt'></td><td width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#EAEAEA;padding:5.25pt 3.75pt 5.25pt 11.25pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:2.25pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#212121'>You don't often get email from <a href="mailto:solarwind1@me.com">solarwind1@me.com</a>. <a href="http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification">Learn why this is important</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td><td width=75 style='width:56.25pt;background:#EAEAEA;padding:5.25pt 3.75pt 5.25pt 3.75pt;align:left'></td></tr></table><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#EB0000'>[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to <a href="mailto:abuse@ilstu.edu">abuse@ilstu.edu</a>] <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Stovers:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>You are invited to watch <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzHdO_HaSqtQ&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=uo5WTAhjKF34Ueolcn1F5qWWr0MgVJXCtLouQ5XVR%2Bw%3D&reserved=0">my latest You Tube video</a> (<i>10 minutes</i>) which explains how to reduce cooking time and save significant amounts of fuel by using a home-made retained heat basket to finish cooking pots of food that have been brought to a rolling boil for twenty minutes over a fire. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>In this video, I've included a photo of the late, great Larry Winiarski teaching a group of Mexican women how to make retained heat baskets. I took that photo in 2008 when Larry and I were in Mexico together on a Rotary project. During that trip, I filmed my very first and still most popular <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXSMR2ANIZ7E&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=o9Mlfc6prk9DosWHsjodozsQIBiFCrKiXE419e03QiM%3D&reserved=0">You Tube video</a>. It shows Larry teaching the women how to make a 16-brick rocket stove. The last time I checked <span style='color:black;background:#F9F9F9'>725,572 people had watched that video. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle;color:black;background:#F9F9F9'>I hope you’ll share both videos with your colleagues.</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Back in 2001, Dean Still<span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'> inspired me with something he posted on the stovers’ list serve: “<span style='color:black;background:white'>In a perfect world, perhaps with a great, non-polluting wood stove, would come a retained heat cooker (Haybox), a solar oven for baking and a parabolic or conical reflector for boiling water...Whole package might cost $100 which is dinner and a movie for some folks.</span>” </span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>A few years ago, a crusty old U.S. Marine friend of mine in California, made a similar point about "<a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.appropedia.org%2FIntegrated_cooking&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=J3jSPgHY0lK2O0v7Fhb3F3bwZ31EmWutrvQnBtx9VRE%3D&reserved=0">integrated cooking</a>" with a slightly different twist: "If you give my neighbor a pile of wood and a fuel efficient biomass stove—and, you give me the same amount of wood and the same biomass stove, but I also have a solar cooker and a retained heat container, guess who'll run out of wood first?” <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>An integrated cooking system is certainly more sustainable for the rural poor than the subsidized LPG that the late<a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVMJcx47hsPc&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xbAIHaweVBHfRmy4iU3CG8IsYGa%2B7RCoCi%2FVaL%2FbsMU%3D&reserved=0"> Kirk Smith aggressively promoted</a> with his mantra to “make the clean (<i>LPG</i>) available instead of "making the available (<i>wood</i>) clean”. It’s disheartening to see the former GACC (now the <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcleancooking.org%2Freports-and-tools%2Fscaling-lpg-for-cooking-in-developing-markets%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=0yeDmVPkISpah5eDXU7JmKha8rPcQkTueZUJNm7AhXU%3D&reserved=0">CCA) aggressively promoting LPG</a> in the developing world, but I guess that’s where the money is.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>I remember back in January 2011, at the DOE-sponsored Biomass Stoves Technical meeting many of us attended, when I was asked by Sam Baldwin to refrain from even mentioning the words "solar cooking" during the two-day meeting. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>I complied with his request, but when one of the speakers proposed adding a ’simmer’ function to the stoves, I raised my hand and suggested that it might be more cost effective to teach people how to make and use retained heat baskets rather than trying to engineer a ’simmer’ function that would eventually break. My suggestion was also shot down. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsolarcooking.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FPatricia_McArdle&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=QyvKZfo%2F6n5uOS%2FqhEVtEo%2F2UQBe591%2Bf%2BimJorM7u8%3D&reserved=0"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif'>Patricia McArdle</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:BookAntiqua;color:black'>Author, <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2011%2F06%2F04%2F136928898%2Ffarishta-afghan-fiction-from-the-foreign-service&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=pPMrMlfzbaslydHnlf49VQAwgZIuqA8R4Dw6gVq3wdc%3D&reserved=0">Farishta</a>, a novel about Afghanistan<br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black'><a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fchannel%2FUC_tLie5msnr6QwhEWPZIzIg%2Fvideos%3Fview%3D0%26sort%3Dp&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=AsymvcTw5tcmQnOZRwcX1YlIEraHFKkak3hfXqRg6qc%3D&reserved=0">Videographer</a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:BookAntiqua;color:black'> renewable energy<br>Member Global Advisory Council, <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.solarcookers.org%2Fabout%2Fteam%2Fsci-global-advisor-council%2Fpatricia-mcardle&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=GsjXs5ujJbblbZaP2qGLC2mSkf7Vvayadl2QTa0euYs%3D&reserved=0">Solar Cookers International</a><br>Board of Advisors, <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.she-inc.org%2F%3Fpage_id%3D293&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=qUjEb1XQLacdKv4DWYiM6JqwxxG6ahR1T3UDrC%2Fvoy8%3D&reserved=0">Solar Household Energy</a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>