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On Monday, February 21, 2022, 06:02:06 PM PST, Anderson, Paul <psanders@ilstu.edu> wrote:
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">Patricia and ALL,</p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">I am in favor of Retained Heat Cookers. But I write here about the STOVES LIST SERVE. This is the FIRST message I have received in over 2 years. Why did it come through? (Note that Patricia sent to TWO addresses, and we do not
know yet which one worked.)</p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">Now we will see if MY message reaches anyone? Kirk, Dean, Tom, Christa, Ron, Crispin, Dave, and all the others. Please reply so I / we know what has reached you.</p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">I would love to seen the Stove listserv functional again!!!!</p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">Paul</p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
<span style="color:#0563C1;">www.drtlud.com</span></a></p>
<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"> Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1;">psanders@ilstu.edu</span></a> Skype: paultlud</p>
<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"> Phone: Office: <a>309-452-7072</a> Mobile & WhatsApp: <a>309-531-4434</a></p>
<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP Go to: <a href="http://www.juntosnfp.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
<span style="color:#0563C1;">www.JuntosNFP.org</span></a> </p>
<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">Inventor of RoCC kilns and author of Biochar white paper : See
<a href="http://www.woodgas.energy/resources" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1;">www.woodgas.energy/resources</span></a>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">Author of “<i>A Capitalist Carol</i>” (free digital copies at
<a href="http://www.capitalism21.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1;">www.capitalism21.org</span></a>)</p>
<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"> with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patricia Mcardle <solarwind1@me.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 21, 2022 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org; stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> New You Tube video. Fuel efficient biomass stoves and retained heat cooking</p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">You are invited to watch <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzHdO_HaSqtQ&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=uo5WTAhjKF34Ueolcn1F5qWWr0MgVJXCtLouQ5XVR%2Bw%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">my
latest You Tube video</a> (<i>10 minutes</i>) which explains how to reduce cooking time and save significant amounts of fuel by using a home-made retained heat basket to finish cooking pots of food that have been brought to a rolling boil for twenty minutes
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:serif;">In this video, I've included a photo of the late, great Larry Winiarski teaching a group of Mexican women how to make retained heat baskets. I took that photo in 2008 when Larry and I were
in Mexico together on a Rotary project. During that trip, I filmed my very first and still most popular <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXSMR2ANIZ7E&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=o9Mlfc6prk9DosWHsjodozsQIBiFCrKiXE419e03QiM%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">You
Tube video</a>. It shows Larry teaching the women how to make a 16-brick rocket stove. The last time I checked <span style="color:black;background:#F9F9F9;">725,572 people had watched that video. </span></span></p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal">Back in 2001, Dean Still<span style="font-family:serif;"> inspired me with something he posted on the stovers’ list serve: “<span style="color:black;background:white;">In a perfect world, perhaps with a great, non-polluting
wood stove, would come a retained heat cooker (Haybox), a solar oven for baking and a parabolic or conical reflector for boiling water...Whole package might cost $100 which is dinner and a movie for some folks.</span>” </span>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:serif;">A few years ago, a crusty old U.S. Marine friend of mine in California, made a similar point about "<a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.appropedia.org%2FIntegrated_cooking&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=J3jSPgHY0lK2O0v7Fhb3F3bwZ31EmWutrvQnBtx9VRE%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">integrated
cooking</a>" with a slightly different twist: "If you give my neighbor a pile of wood and a fuel efficient biomass stove—and, you give me the same amount of wood and the same biomass stove, but I also have a solar cooker and a retained heat container, guess
who'll run out of wood first?” </span></p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:serif;">An integrated cooking system is certainly more sustainable for the rural poor than the subsidized LPG that the late<a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVMJcx47hsPc&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xbAIHaweVBHfRmy4iU3CG8IsYGa%2B7RCoCi%2FVaL%2FbsMU%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Kirk Smith
aggressively promoted</a> with his mantra to “make the clean (<i>LPG</i>) available instead of "making the available (<i>wood</i>) clean”. It’s disheartening to see the former GACC (now the <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcleancooking.org%2Freports-and-tools%2Fscaling-lpg-for-cooking-in-developing-markets%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=0yeDmVPkISpah5eDXU7JmKha8rPcQkTueZUJNm7AhXU%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CCA)
aggressively promoting LPG</a> in the developing world, but I guess that’s where the money is.</span></p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:serif;">I remember back in January 2011, at the DOE-sponsored Biomass Stoves Technical meeting many of us attended, when I was asked by Sam Baldwin to refrain from even mentioning the words "solar
cooking" during the two-day meeting. </span></p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:serif;">I complied with his request, but when one of the speakers proposed adding a ’simmer’ function to the stoves, I raised my hand and suggested that it might be more cost effective to teach
people how to make and use retained heat baskets rather than trying to engineer a ’simmer’ function that would eventually break. My suggestion was also shot down. </span></p>
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsolarcooking.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FPatricia_McArdle&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=QyvKZfo%2F6n5uOS%2FqhEVtEo%2F2UQBe591%2Bf%2BimJorM7u8%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:serif;">Patricia
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<p class="ydpc5a867d8yiv1967541411MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:serif;color:black;">Author, <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2011%2F06%2F04%2F136928898%2Ffarishta-afghan-fiction-from-the-foreign-service&data=04%7C01%7C%7C07056bd541db4027094e08d9f5637d32%7C085f983a0b694270b71d10695076bafe%7C1%7C0%7C637810631122815753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=pPMrMlfzbaslydHnlf49VQAwgZIuqA8R4Dw6gVq3wdc%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Farishta</a>,
a novel about Afghanistan<br>
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