<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I should have added that rice straw burns the same as maize stalks.  When fresh cut but looking very dry, a pile of straw lit on the side will smoke profusely and a pile lit on top barely smokes.  But when the straw dried for a few weeks after being cut, both piles burn with little smoke.  All piles smoke quite a bit when the flame goes out, which is when I'd like to see the embers smothered to make biochar.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:39 PM Kevin McLean <<a href="mailto:kevin@sun24.org">kevin@sun24.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thanks, Crispin.  I didn't think there was a shortcut.  I have someone in Malawi doing this in a much cruder way with rice straw.  It seems that the difference in moisture content between standing dry straw and dry straw that is cut and allowed to dry further for another week or two may be relevant to rice stubble burning in India and elsewhere.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:23 PM Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">You test the moisture content using a small digital scale, like you get at a "head shop". It will have a capacity of about 400 or 250 grams. It reads to 0.01 g precision. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Take some samples of fuel, weigh them and write the number 1, 2, 3 etc on them with a pen and record the individual masses. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">You can weigh them all at once if you like. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Then put them into a warming drawer of an electric over of the oven itself if you can control the temperature down to 105 C. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Leave them for a day (no kidding) and weight them again
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Hot fuel can influence the scale's reading.  Physics 101. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Divide the new dry mass by the original mass and convert to %. That is the dry portion. Subtract that number from 100% and you have the moisture on a Wet Weight Basis. WWB. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">WWB is the most common form of describing the fuel moisture in the stove world. However if you are reading something from the USA never assume it is WWB. There is penchant for describing
 the moisture as a percentage of the dry mass which is of course the Dry Weight Basis. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">So you should always report the moisture as a % and then put WWB afterwards so anyone reading your text knows what you did. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="m_2624460188031578825m_9085604630681659554BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">100% - Dry mass % = % moisture content WWB</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">You never need to apologize, Norm.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I'm leaning toward the bands over the cooking hole.  A band with maize stalks is simpler and seems to be less smoky.  But the big band advantage is the bundles can be swapped out to extend the cooking session
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">It would be awesome if you could test the band and bundle method at Aprovecho.  We have not yet tried to regulate air flow.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Moisture content is obviously important.  Please look at this video where we compare the burning of two piles of freshly cut upright maize stalks that were brown and looked dry.  (You may have seen it on the
 biochar listserv, but it is also relevant here.)  We are demonstrating the difference in smoke when a pile is lit on the side (left pile, the traditional method in Africa) and when lit on top (right pile, the way we train).  The difference in smoke is stunning. 
 However, when we compared two piles of stalks that were cut two week previous, both piles burned with little smoke.  I attribute this to moisture content.  Brown upright stalks must have a higher moisture content than stalks that were cut and left on the ground
 for two weeks.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:small">Side by Side Burn of Maize Stalks (video): </span> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tinos"><a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F5M4ntJi_JmY&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8d167d1d3d994cd3dc1308daabb75329%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638011101143179687%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=t4tlT554CHyo%2Fx77o%2FkwbWj%2BC2TEJUkSZfvaPELxcTg%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/5M4ntJi_JmY</a>. 
 Some of the principles of the top down burn of large piles of maize stalks are probably involved in the burning of stalks in bands from the top.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 7:19 PM Norman Baker <<a href="mailto:ntbakerphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">ntbakerphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Kevin;<br>
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First, let me apologize for not getting emissions testing done for you at Aprovecho. Life seems to get in the way sometimes - especially when you're older and events crop up suddenly. </div>
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The metal band with the stocks upright is probably a better way to make use of the maize stocks. From watching your videos it is clear this is functioning as a hybrid between TLUD's and flame caps. Do you make any attempt to regulate the air from below? When
 we go to Aprovecho I can easily make a band and we can do emissions testing on this new arrangement. I still plan to compare emissions of dried maize stocks versus maize stocks at ambient relative humidity. I think there will be a difference. I'm also planning
 to do this in a metal band versus the "conservation burn" style you originally worked with. Let me know what you think.<br>
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Norm<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:50:55 +0200<br>
From: Kevin McLean <<a href="mailto:kevin@sun24.org" target="_blank">kevin@sun24.org</a>><br>
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Subject: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Maize stalks as cooking fuel in bands and<br>
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We've long been trying to find a way to use maize stalks as a cooking fuel<br>
in Africa.  They are challenging because they burn fast and smoky.  We may<br>
have found a way.<br>
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Make a bundle of stalks in a metal band and stand up the bundle so the<br>
stalks are upright.  Then light the top.  The band has a diameter of 20<br>
cm.  The stalks burn remarkably clean for about 13 minutes, no tending.<br>
Then a new bundle can be swapped in to continue the cooking.  Below are<br>
some videos.<br>
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My colleague in Uganda thinks that farmers with two growing seasons can<br>
cook year round with maize stalks and never need to collect firewood again<br>
... we'll see.<br>
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As a bonus, this makes biochar.<br>
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[image: Bands with maize stalks.jpeg]<br>
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Videos:<br>
Self help group leaders being trained on stalks in bands<br>
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Stalks in band burning<br>
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Swapping bands of stalks<br>
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Subject: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Maize stalks as cooking<br>
        fuel in bands and bundles<br>
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@Kevin<br>
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Imagine you rise the sleeve higher up and leave some space between it and the bundle.<br>
It should have a "secondary air effect", I guess, and burn even cleaner.<br>
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From: Stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> on behalf of Kevin McLean <<a href="mailto:kevin@sun24.org" target="_blank">kevin@sun24.org</a>><br>
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Subject: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Maize stalks as cooking fuel in bands and bundles<br>
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We've long been trying to find a way to use maize stalks as a cooking fuel in Africa.  They are challenging because they burn fast and smoky.  We may have found a way.<br>
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Make a bundle of stalks in a metal band and stand up the bundle so the stalks are upright.  Then light the top.  The band has a diameter of 20 cm.  The stalks burn remarkably clean for about 13 minutes, no tending.  Then a new bundle can be swapped in to continue
 the cooking.  Below are some videos.<br>
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My colleague in Uganda thinks that farmers with two growing seasons can cook year round with maize stalks and never need to collect firewood again ... we'll see.<br>
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As a bonus, this makes biochar.<br>
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[Bands with maize stalks.jpeg]<br>
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Videos:<br>
Self help group leaders being trained on stalks in bands<<a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F10VXniCh8-JFLg6EwFcImsmYbeJAEDu6D%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8d167d1d3d994cd3dc1308daabb75329%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638011101143179687%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=UQ6XFNjnDyCIfmbK%2BeDAx9mNvruvSjjrq7peQfGW4i0%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/d/10VXniCh8-JFLg6EwFcImsmYbeJAEDu6D/view?usp=sharing</a>><br>
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