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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL-BE link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dear KEVIN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think we discsed 30 y ago about frensh frees …..but Canada was to cold for patatos down 1,5 $ !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I remember you wash salt out of dunge and looked for analytics for the ash danger .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As for dung cooking/baking ,it is done in Anatolia TURKEY. No trees ,to see. villages of mud and corn looks haver, no mais .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The fireplace is chimney fumehood integrated about 3 meter high and always a pasat wind avaiable . <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>To replace it you need a suction stove , fan , jet or and partial wood/dung using in the 3th world only…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>F.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=NL>Van:</span></b><span lang=NL> Stoves <stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org> <b>Namens </b>Ronal Larson<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 6 januari 2023 5:54<br><b>Aan:</b> Kevin McLean <kevin@sun24.org>; Paul Olivier <paul.olivier@esrla.com>; stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Dung Rocket Stove - Failed Test<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kevin, Paul and stoves list<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>1. What is the reason for this test of a rocket - instead of a TLUD or other char-making design?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>2. I agree with Paul, but I can conceive of cost, time spent, and CDR advantages of charring dung, at lest with certain family situations. But I can’t see those advantages with combusting dung.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 5, 2023, at 9:57 AM, Paul Olivier <<a href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com">paul.olivier@esrla.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'>Dung is not a good fuel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'>It is much better to ferment it and use it as a feed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:12 PM Kevin McLean <<a href="mailto:kevin@sun24.org">kevin@sun24.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>List,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Today we tested a dung rocket stove. I'm a little surprised that the test was a failure. Can anyone suggest changes? And can anyone in India help us with our testing of dung as fuel?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This is very similar to a sawdust cookstove. We made cylinders of dung with vertical holes in the center and let them dry for a month. We did not mix anything into the dung. We used 5 liter paint cans to form the cylinders.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><Dung rocket stove - wet.jpeg><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><Dung cylinder - Failed test.jpeg><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We tested with and without a metal can over the dung cylinder. We raised the cylinder and lit a wood fire under it. The fire was never strong and there was a lot of smoke. Here is a <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xCrABfFFOVlvtGn925VW8FT9lXl660Zk/view?usp=share_link" target="_blank">video</a> of the test with a metal can over the dung cylinder.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We seem to be having early success with upright dung sticks in a metal band and top lighting piles of dung patties. But these need to be tested by people more familiar with using dung as fuel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><Dung sticks in a metal band.jpeg><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><TDB of pile of dung patties.jpeg><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We could use some help from someone in an area where dung is used for cooking. None of my colleagues live in such an area.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kevin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Kevin McLean, President<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://Sun24.org">Sun24.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'>Paul A. 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