<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">Here we raise cows indoors on odorless, fly-free bedding.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">Each day their manure is picked up and either fermented into a feed for pigs or chickens, or fed fresh to BSF larvae.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">The waste of the larvae is used as the principle feed for shrimp, or it is fed to red worms.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">When manure is used as fuel, so many valuable nutrients are lost.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">If one needs fuel, there are billions of tons world-wide of agricultural and forestry waste that can be used.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">The urine of the cow gets immobilized in bedding (containing up to 10% biochar) where it is transformed, in large part, into microbial biomass.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">Spent bedding is used as the primary means of fertilization.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">Chemical fertilizer should never, never be used.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">Please see this short paper:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large"><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vnbfwcpgu4xplo/Waste%20Transformation%20Closed%20Loop%20Farming3.docx?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vnbfwcpgu4xplo/Waste%20Transformation%20Closed%20Loop%20Farming3.docx?dl=0</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 9:00 PM Richard Stanley <<a href="mailto:rstanley@mind.net">rstanley@mind.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Not true paul or only partially true! In rural kenya our partners francis and mary kavita showed hor one sieves out the aromatics and dissolved solids by sloshing the patties of dung in water— then has a good liquid feetiliser as well as a spongy lignin which makes a great fuel whether briquetted or not. Same<div> I discovered that the same process applies to peat in Ireland. </div><div>Its good by stink and smoke; hello to clean burn and liquid fertiliser.</div><div>Richard Stanley</div><div><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a></div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jan 6, 2023, at 4:28 AM, <a href="mailto:peetersfrans@telenet.be" target="_blank">peetersfrans@telenet.be</a> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear KEVIN<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I think we discsed 30 y ago about frensh frees …..but Canada was to cold for patatos down 1,5 $ !<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I remember you wash salt out of dunge and looked for analytics for the ash danger .<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>As for dung cooking/baking ,it is done in Anatolia TURKEY. No trees ,to see. villages of mud and corn looks haver, no mais .<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>The fireplace is chimney fumehood integrated about 3 meter high and always a pasat wind avaiable . <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>To replace it you need a suction stove , fan , jet or and partial wood/dung using in the 3th world only…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>F.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="NL">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL"> Stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> <b>Namens </b>Ronal Larson<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 6 januari 2023 5:54<br><b>Aan:</b> Kevin McLean <<a href="mailto:kevin@sun24.org" target="_blank">kevin@sun24.org</a>>; Paul Olivier <<a href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank">paul.olivier@esrla.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Dung Rocket Stove - Failed Test<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kevin, Paul and stoves list<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>1. What is the reason for this test of a rocket - instead of a TLUD or other char-making design?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>2. I agree with Paul, but I can conceive of cost, time spent, and CDR advantages of charring dung, at lest with certain family situations. But I can’t see those advantages with combusting dung.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ron<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 5, 2023, at 9:57 AM, Paul Olivier <<a href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank">paul.olivier@esrla.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Dung is not a good fuel.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">It is much better to ferment it and use it as a feed.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:12 PM Kevin McLean <<a href="mailto:kevin@sun24.org" target="_blank">kevin@sun24.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">List,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Today we tested a dung rocket stove. I'm a little surprised that the test was a failure. Can anyone suggest changes? And can anyone in India help us with our testing of dung as fuel?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">This is very similar to a sawdust cookstove. We made cylinders of dung with vertical holes in the center and let them dry for a month. We did not mix anything into the dung. We used 5 liter paint cans to form the cylinders.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><Dung rocket stove - wet.jpeg><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><Dung cylinder - Failed test.jpeg><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">We tested with and without a metal can over the dung cylinder. We raised the cylinder and lit a wood fire under it. The fire was never strong and there was a lot of smoke. Here is a <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xCrABfFFOVlvtGn925VW8FT9lXl660Zk/view?usp=share_link" target="_blank">video</a> of the test with a metal can over the dung cylinder.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">We seem to be having early success with upright dung sticks in a metal band and top lighting piles of dung patties. But these need to be tested by people more familiar with using dung as fuel.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><Dung sticks in a metal band.jpeg><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><TDB of pile of dung patties.jpeg><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">We could use some help from someone in an area where dung is used for cooking. None of my colleagues live in such an area.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kevin<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Kevin McLean, President<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://Sun24.org" target="_blank">Sun24.org</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><br>-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Paul A. 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