[Digestion] Digestion Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
Rabin Shrestha
rshrestha at winrock.org.np
Mon Apr 7 22:39:20 CDT 2014
Dear All,
Thank you for providing the information.
Regards,
Rabin
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4. Re: Rural biogas (Jaime Marti Herrero)
5. Free Handbook Out Now: "Anaerobic Digestion of Biowaste in
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 11:39:42 +0545
From: "Rabin Shrestha" <rshrestha at winrock.org.np>
To: <digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: [Digestion] Rural biogas
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Hello,
I need some help regarding the promotion of biogas in rural areas. As of
now, in rural areas biogas plants are installed in individual households but
now we are thinking of promoting single (big) biogas plants for a group of
households ( it could be 10 or more households). This biogas plants will be
run by an individual person or LFIs ( any entrepreneur) then they will sell
gas to households.
So I want some information, if this kind of model has been used in any other
place. If you can provide any related information then I will be really
thankful. I also want to know if this is feasible or not ?
Regards,
Rabin
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 10:45:39 +0000
From: David <davidf at kingdombio.com>
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Rabin, Hello,
Several years ago, in Nepal, we (DCS at the time) worked with the ADB Small
Farmers Development Programme to set up a number of small community biogas
plants. The information is available in my book:
"Running a biogas programme: a handbook"
(developmentbookshop.com/running-a-biogas-programme-pb). I am in the process
of writing an updated version of this book.
The SFDP workers were rather frustrated by this project. They had to spend a
lot of their time stopping arguments within the groups as to how much dung
each family put in and how much gas they were using. The individual
household programme became very successful (now BSP-N -
www.bspnepal.org.np/), but the community biogas programme had to be regarded
as a failure.
Best wishes,
David
davidf at kingdombio.com
******************************************************
Dr David Fulford CEnv MEI, 15, Brandon Ave, Woodley, Reading RG5 4PU
Tel: +44(0)118 969 5039 Mob: +44(0)7746 806401 Kingdom Bioenergy
Ltd, www.kingdombio.com, davidf at kindombio.com
Skype Identity: djfulford
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From: "Rabin Shrestha" <rshrestha at winrock.org.np>
To: digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org
Sent: 07/04/2014 06:54:42
Subject: [Digestion] Rural biogas
>Hello,
>
>
>
>I need some help regarding the promotion of biogas in rural areas. As
>of now, in rural areas biogas plants are installed in individual
>households but now we are thinking of promoting single (big) biogas
>plants for a group of households ( it could be 10 or more households).
>This biogas plants will be run by an individual person or LFIs ( any
>entrepreneur) then they will sell gas to households.
>
>
>
>So I want some information, if this kind of model has been used in any
>other place. If you can provide any related information then I will be
>really thankful. I also want to know if this is feasible or not ?
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Rabin
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 06:34:18 -0500
From: Alexander Eaton <alex at sistemabiobolsa.com>
To: David <davidf at kingdombio.com>, For Discussion of Anaerobic
Digestion <digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Digestion] Rural biogas
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HI Rabin,
As David says, these schemes often look good on paper, but fall into
tragedy of the commons. Run by a wells structured group or government you
will remove some of the issues but the gas distribution will still be an
issue whether or not you want a pipeline network or are trying to transport
gas bladders. There are lots of issues around how much waste is delivered
and how gas and slurry are metered. If there are fixed inputs, then
producing electricity on site makes sense, or finding centralized thermal
uses.
We have tried on about six different occasions to try group biogas plants
in Mexico with cooperatives and they have all failed until the group
structure fell apart and a single family took the plant over and ran it
successfully (as a household system). This is consistent with many projects
around the world, including David's comments above. I really suggest you
avoid this scheme unless there is already a solid structure in place that
would support it, such as joint waste management or a multifamily farm
endeavor.
Best,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:45 AM, David <davidf at kingdombio.com> wrote:
> Rabin, Hello,
>
> Several years ago, in Nepal, we (DCS at the time) worked with the ADB
> Small Farmers Development Programme to set up a number of small community
> biogas plants. The information is available in my book: "Running a biogas
> programme: a handbook" (
> developmentbookshop.com/running-a-biogas-programme-pb). I am in the
> process of writing an updated version of this book.
>
> The SFDP workers were rather frustrated by this project. They had to spend
> a lot of their time stopping arguments within the groups as to how much
> dung each family put in and how much gas they were using. The individual
> household programme became very successful (now BSP-N -
> www.bspnepal.org.np/), but the community biogas programme had to be
> regarded as a failure.
>
> Best wishes,
> David
> *davidf at kingdombio.com* <davidf at kingdombio.com>
>
> ******************************************************
> Dr David Fulford CEnv MEI, 15, Brandon Ave, Woodley, Reading RG5 4PU
> Tel: +44(0)118 969 5039 Mob: +44(0)7746 806401
> Kingdom Bioenergy Ltd, *www.kingdombio.com* <http://www.kingdombio.com>,
> *davidf at kindombio.com* <davidf at kindombio.com>
> Skype Identity: djfulford
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Rabin Shrestha" <rshrestha at winrock.org.np>
> To: digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Sent: 07/04/2014 06:54:42
> Subject: [Digestion] Rural biogas
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I need some help regarding the promotion of biogas in rural areas. As of
> now, in rural areas biogas plants are installed in individual households
> but now we are thinking of promoting single (big) biogas plants for a
group
> of households ( it could be 10 or more households). This biogas plants
will
> be run by an individual person or LFIs ( any entrepreneur) then they will
> sell gas to households.
>
>
>
> So I want some information, if this kind of model has been used in any
> other place. If you can provide any related information then I will be
> really thankful. I also want to know if this is feasible or not ?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rabin
>
>
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> for more information about digestion, see
> Beginner's Guide to Biogas
> http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/
> and the Biogas Wiki http://biogas.wikispaces.com/
>
>
>
--
Alexander Eaton
Sistema Biobolsa
IRRI-Mexico
RedBioLAC
Mex cel: (55) 11522786
US cel: 970 275 4505
alex at irrimexico.org
alex at sistemabiobolsa.com
sistemabiobolsa.com
www.irrimexico.org
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 11:57:40 -0400
From: Jaime Marti Herrero <tallerbiogas at hotmail.com>
To: "digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org"
<digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org>, David
<davidf at kingdombio.com>
Subject: Re: [Digestion] Rural biogas
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I am very agree with David and Alex. I only now two good experiencies with
communal digesters, and both are related to isolated indigenous people fron
the Bolivian altiplano that have their own tradicional way to share. but
experiencies with communal digesters with non-isolated, but indigenous,
people have not work.Also happend in rural schools, where many times the
parents anrd/or teachers have asked for a digester for the school, but
finally all this projects, after two year,s have fallen.
Other questoin is if you have the manure, you install your own big digester,
and you sell the biogas to the neighbours, then you'll have to be very clear
about the distribution of gas. To sell the bio-slurry is easiest.
keep in touchjaime -----
Jaime Mart? Herrero
CIMNE (www.cimne.com). Building
Energy and Environment Group
Cochabamba ? Bolivia
Tel. (+591)-73 090 621
BIOGAS AND BOLIVIA
-RedBioLAC:http://redbiolac.org/
-Taller Biogas Bolivia:http://tallerbiogas.blogspot.com
-Video: Biodigester installation in bolivian
Altiplano:http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sl0XEN5Bgo-Manual
gratuito-Biodigestores familiares: Gu?a de dise?o y manual de
instalaci?n:
http://grecdh.upc.edu/publicacions/llibres/documents/2008_jmh_guia_biodigest
ores.pdf
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 06:34:18 -0500
From: alex at sistemabiobolsa.com
To: davidf at kingdombio.com; digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Digestion] Rural biogas
HI Rabin,
As David says, these schemes often look good on paper, but fall into tragedy
of the commons. Run by a wells structured group or government you will
remove some of the issues but the gas distribution will still be an issue
whether or not you want a pipeline network or are trying to transport gas
bladders. There are lots of issues around how much waste is delivered and
how gas and slurry are metered. If there are fixed inputs, then producing
electricity on site makes sense, or finding centralized thermal uses.
We have tried on about six different occasions to try group biogas plants in
Mexico with cooperatives and they have all failed until the group structure
fell apart and a single family took the plant over and ran it successfully
(as a household system). This is consistent with many projects around the
world, including David's comments above. I really suggest you avoid this
scheme unless there is already a solid structure in place that would support
it, such as joint waste management or a multifamily farm endeavor.
Best,
Alex
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:45 AM, David <davidf at kingdombio.com> wrote:
Rabin, Hello,
Several years ago, in Nepal, we (DCS at the time) worked with the ADB Small
Farmers Development Programme to set up a number of small community biogas
plants. The information is available in my book: "Running a biogas
programme: a handbook"
(developmentbookshop.com/running-a-biogas-programme-pb). I am in the process
of writing an updated version of this book.
The SFDP workers were rather frustrated by this project. They had to spend a
lot of their time stopping arguments within the groups as to how much dung
each family put in and how much gas they were using. The individual
household programme became very successful (now BSP-N -
www.bspnepal.org.np/), but the community biogas programme had to be regarded
as a failure.
Best wishes,
David
davidf at kingdombio.com
******************************************************
Dr David Fulford CEnv MEI, 15, Brandon Ave, Woodley, Reading RG5 4PU
Tel: +44(0)118 969 5039 Mob: +44(0)7746 806401
Kingdom Bioenergy Ltd, www.kingdombio.com, davidf at kindombio.com
Skype Identity: djfulford
------ Original Message ------
From: "Rabin Shrestha" <rshrestha at winrock.org.np>
To: digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org
Sent: 07/04/2014 06:54:42
Subject: [Digestion] Rural biogas
Hello,
I need some help regarding the promotion of biogas in rural areas. As of
now, in rural areas biogas plants are installed in individual households but
now we are thinking of promoting single (big) biogas plants for a group of
households ( it could be 10 or more households). This biogas plants will be
run by an individual person or LFIs ( any entrepreneur) then they will sell
gas to households.
So I want some information, if this kind of model has been used in any other
place. If you can provide any related information then I will be really
thankful. I also want to know if this is feasible or not ?
Regards,
Rabin
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--
Alexander Eaton
Sistema Biobolsa
IRRI-Mexico
RedBioLAC
Mex cel: (55) 11522786
US cel: 970 275 4505
alex at irrimexico.org
alex at sistemabiobolsa.com
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www.redbiolac.org
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 20:14:35 +0300
From: christian riu lohri <riu.lohri at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Digestion] Free Handbook Out Now: "Anaerobic Digestion of
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Dear all
After four years of research about anaerobic digestion using the organic
fraction of municipal solid waste in developing countries, Eawag/Sandec has
published a handbook summarizing its findings.
The book "Anaerobic Digestion of Biowaste in Developing Countries -
Practical Information and Case Studies" can be downloaded for free:
http://www.eawag.ch/forschung/sandec/publikationen/swm/dl/biowaste.pdf. If
you like to order hard copies, please contact caterina.dallatorre at eawag.ch.
This book compiles existing and recently generated knowledge on AD of urban
biowaste at small and medium scale with special consideration given to the
conditions prevailing in developing countries. Written for actors working
in the waste and renewable energy sector, the book is divided into two
parts: Part 1 focuses on practical information related to the AD supply
chain (substrate-, process-, and product chain), and Part 2 presents
selected case studies from around the world.
We hope this book can contribute to a better understanding of AD using
solid biowaste as substrate. Thanks for spreading the link to interested
persons and organizations.
Kind regards,
riu
???
Christian (Riu) Lohri
Eawag (Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science & Technology)
Sandec (Department of Water & Sanitation in Developing Countries)
MSWM (Municipal Solid Waste Management Research Group)
www.eawag.ch; www.sandec.ch
<http://www.sandec.ch/>
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