[Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_
Pannirselvam P.V
pannirbr at gmail.com
Wed Dec 29 15:21:39 CST 2010
Tom ,Jim,Toby
We need happy end to the hot debate on syngas 2010
Many list member can agree with me that public or private retrack
statements is a correct peaceful end as proposed by Jim as
more damage was being done to him and GEK, I can prove that this is not
the request of crew of Jim as some one put here , but independent observer
.Every member here has their voice heard , independent they are from poor
country or rich country , independent of person like me with Phd , working
with university or an technical person with elementary school.The new social
network make this possible via our lists with equal rights .some are
proved expert of the start of art as much as Jim or more , but if one do
not explained well here , the experience alone can not make one for other
to follow as crew. We all here can not blindly follow with hero workship of
few people or expert or so called imaginary Jim crew, even though he has
world wide network, disciples.wiki,fotoblog etc,There is no need for him to
use the power of his gasification crew against few misunderstanding.
If he really use his syngas based hydrogen globalizeded distributed
network power as some one supect here , our list can be innudated with
emailsand .our list email system could have exploded wiith this syngas
based hydrogen explosives emails and bda demage done to GEK and JIM could
have disappeared
But , as Jim travel and know the biodiversity , really respect all even
one who misunderstand too open minded , not too much commercial business
minded , but there is always limit to this .
Thus I wish especial new near to Jim and Toby , making the debate live and
the good side of this very hot debate
Jim even though , too much demaged his true image and good motivation , has
not asked public apology , but very educated and polite to ask only publick
retrack and I hopethat he accept too private retrack ,latter inform about
the same
Making error is human , I hope the persons misunderstood They can fell
and be super human , if they can if not publick retrack openly or at
least send private email retrack.
I wish Jim accept this private re-track and we will end this big mis
understanding in our very big lists
As really what we need for this list in the new year is peace , progress,
unity in diversity , respect for all list members , including All the
energy experts , academics like me , farmers , Small Energy enterprise
owners .Our unity in diversity make our list very especial and diferent as
we need all, the more divesity much better for the sustainable growth of
our list.
Yours truely
Dr.Panniselvam
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM, jim mason <jim at allpowerlabs.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > Jim was right, I'm working on a machine that is intended to some degree
> to integrate principles of making synthesis gas, so I have a vested
> interest in his use of terminology used in marketing his product that, I
> believe, contributes to a public misunderstanding. I've asked Jim nice many
> times in the past to consider the differences that Doug, Bill Klein,
> Greg and many other professionals on this list have explained to Jim and
> myself years ago.
> >
>
>
> well toby, there you go again. and now you've also ignored the raw
> data, in addition to the previous detailed description and logical
> argument. again, the comedy here is I AM NOT USING THE TERM SYNGAS TO
> DESCRIBE OR MARKET THE GEK.
>
> i posted the raw data relating to the use of the syngas term on the
> gek site. you glossed over it without impact on your claims. here it
> is again below. i would like for you to respond to this data. and
> hopefully retract your statement that i am using this term to market
> the GEK currently, along with the assertion that i am actively trying
> to mislead about the nitrogen content in the gek gas (of which there
> is plenty).
>
> that represents the current state of affairs and representation.
>
> as for future states of affairs and representations, the more i look
> into the history of this term, its use internationally, and general
> movement in use academically, govt, commercially and popularly, i
> think i am going to start using it actively. the transition is
> actually much further along than i realized when i was just waving
> hands around here about it being a better term.
>
> but again, the current representation of the gek on our site does not
> use the term actively. please respond to the data i have presented.
> show some nuance. if we cannot respond reasonably to data clearly
> presented, description and argument clearly constructed, how are we
> every going to make meaningful progress on the problem of biomass
> thermal conversion? vocabulary might be the least of our problems
> here . . .
>
> here's the gek site term use inventory. you may have to click "show
> hidden" to see it.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> below is an inventory of actual usage of the terms in
> question on the gek site. i've done this for the 8 most visited pages
> on the site, in order. i've then pulled out a much lower visited
> page, but the one where i thought my "sins" would be the most
> pronounced. this is the one where the details of gasification are
> explained. it is the 14th most visited page.
>
> as you will see, there is no sentence of the type "the GEK makes
> syngas". in actuality, the "syngas" term is barely even used. in the
> top 8 pages, only 3 occurrances, 1 to note that "syngas" is one of
> many terms used for the gas, and 2 in passing while talking about
> mixing systems. in contrast, there are 82 occurrances of the term
> "gasifier", 28 occurrances of the term "gasification", 9 for "wood
> gas", 0 for "producer gas", 0 for "suction gas", 0 for "synthesis
> gas". i'll even eliminate the two passing uses of the term while
> discussing mixing if that helps quell this nonsensical lexical
> tempest.
>
> more to your point, the selling pages have exactly 0 declarations that
> "syngas" is the gas being made by the GEK. that's right- zero. the
> term is in not used anywhere to make a claim about the type of gas the
> gek makes, nor to promote its sale. not sure if this changes
> anything, but that's the data. as a man of science, i trust you will
> recalibrate your conclusions in relation to the real data.
>
>
> here's the detail inventory. it is done over the permanent content on
> each page. not rss feeds in the left column from elsewhere, which
> change constantly and not in my control (though i could find zero
> occurances of the "syngas" term there either).
>
> 1. GEK gasifier home page: http://www.gekgasifier.com
> gasifier (9), gasification (4), syngas (1), wood gas (0), producer gas
> (0), synthesis gas (0)
> the "offending" syngas sentence at the bottom of the page:
> "The system automatically adjusts syngas/air mixture via a wide band
> Bosch oxygen sensor, shakes the grate when needed, and removes ash via
> a mechanical auger.")
>
> 2. How to make the GEK page:
> http://www.gekgasifier.com/wood-gasifier-plans/
> gasifier (8), gasification (3), syngas (0), wood gas (1), producer gas
> (0), synthesis gas (0)
>
> 3. Power Pallet info and buy page:
> http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-store/gasifier-genset-skids/
> gasifier (19), gasification (3), syngas (2), wood gas (2), producer
> gas (0), synthesis gas (0)
> the two 2 syngas references are again in the context of
> talking about fuel/air mixing
>
> 4. Store front: http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-store/
> gasifier (8), gasification (3), syngas (0), wood gas (1), producer gas
> (0), synthesis gas (0)
>
> 5. Wiki page with detail plans and CAD drawings on making and using
> the GEK:
> http://wiki.gekgasifier.com/w/page/6123754/How-to-Build-and-Run-the-GEK-Gasifier
> gasifier (8), gasification (3), syngas (0), wood gas (2), producer gas
> (0), synthesis gas (0)
>
> 6. BEK biochar info page:
> http://www.gekgasifier.com/reactor-options/pyrolysis-biochar/
> gasifier (5), gasification (2), syngas (0), wood gas (2), producer gas
> (0), synthesis gas (0)
>
> 7. Gasification Basics, intro to the tech:
> http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-basics/
> gasifier (8), gasification (6), syngas (0), wood gas (0), producer gas
> (0), synthesis gas (0)
> the closest i get to sin here is:
> "Gasification is the use of heat to tranform solid biomass, or other
> carbonaceous solids, into a synthetic “natural gas like” flammable
> fuel.")
>
> 8. Gasifier kits info and buy page:
> http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-store/gasifier-systems-and-kits/
> gasifier (17), gasification (4), syngas (0), wood gas (1), producer
> gas (0), synthesis gas (0)
>
>
> Here's where i thought my biggest "sins" would be. This is the page
> with the detailed explanation of how gasification works:
> http://www.gekgasifier.com/gasification-basics/how-it-works/
> gasifier (8), gasification (18), syngas (2), wood gas (2), producer
> gas (1), synthesis gas (0), suction gas (1)
> there are 2 sentences with syngas. the "offending sentences:
> "The gas produced by this method goes by a variety of names: “wood
> gas”, “syngas”, “producer gas”, “suction gas”, etc."
> "This is why an engine run on syngas can have such clean emissions."
>
>
> those appear to be the facts from my neck of the woods. others are
> invited to review the above pages and point out where they think
> things are otherwise or should be changed. i'll happily change them,
> as i don't really have a horse in this race.
>
> percentage nitrogen density isn't really the relevant racetrack to
> work out the real issues with this tech.
>
>
> jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Gasification list has moved to
> > gasification at bioenerglists.org - please update your email contacts to
> reflect the change.
> > Please visit http://info.bioenergylists.org for more news on the list
> move.
> > Thank you,
> > Gasification Administrator
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jim Mason
> Website: http://www.whatiamupto.com
> Current Projects:
> - Gasifier Experimenters Kit (the GEK): http://www.gekgasifier.com
> - Escape from Berkeley alt fuels vehicle race:
> www.escapefromberkeley.com
> - ALL Power Labs on Twitter: http://twitter.com/allpowerlabs
> - Shipyard Announce list:
> http://lists.spaceship.com/listinfo.cgi/icp-spaceship.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Gasification mailing list
>
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> Gasification at bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site:
> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/
>
--
************************************************
P.V.PANNIRSELVAM
ASSOCIATE . PROF.
Research Group ,GPEC, Coordinator
Computer aided Cost engineering
DEQ – Departamento de Engenharia Química
CT – Centro de Tecnologia / UFRN, Lagoa Nova – Natal/RN
Campus Universitário. CEP: 59.072-970
North East,Brazil
*******************************************
https://sites.google.com/a/biomassa.eq.ufrn.br/sites/
and
http://ecosyseng.wetpaint.com/
Fone ;Office
84 3215-3769 , Ramal 210
Home : 84 3217-1557
Mobile :558488145083
Email:
pvpa at msn.com
panruti2002 at yahoo.com
pannirbr at gmail.com
pvpa at msn.com
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20101229/e0c2b6be/attachment.html>
More information about the Gasification
mailing list