[Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_

Greg Manning a31ford at gmail.com
Thu Dec 30 11:02:14 CST 2010



 Kevin, we do NOT have to "Work toward arriving at definitions", the
(Definitions) are already there (look them up, and NOT on "wiki" try a
chemistry book), it's just that many among us, attempt to use them
incorrectly (errantly or otherwise).

 That is like saying "I use my pea sea to spiel cheque four me two sea if my
words are correct".

 The above sentence uses "correct" words, BUT not in the correct context.
(as I would assume you wood no, LMAO !)

 The context of the many types and forms of gases, are VERY well known, and
the information is all there, it's the use of the words that needs the
arriving at.

Greg Manning,
Canadian Gasifier Ltd.  (http://www.cangas.ca)
Building Hi-Performance Gasifiers, Since 2001

Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
1 (204) 726-1851





-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin [mailto:kchisholm at ca.inter.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:17 AM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification; a31ford at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_


Dear Bill

Would you agree that any device that gasifies material is a "gasifier"?

Would you agree that any gas being produced by such a gas producer is
"Producer gas"?

Would you agree that if the composition of the gas produced was such that it
could be used for synthesizing other products that it could be termed
"synthesis gas"?

Lets work toward arriving at definitions, rather than slamming or supporting
people.

Kevin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Klein" <Bill_Klein at 3iAlternativePower.com>
To: <a31ford at gmail.com>; "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification"
<gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_


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> Well said, Greg!
>
> During this discussion several well meaning folks have alluded to the
> rationalization that states if an academic paper uses the term "syngas"
> rather than "producer gas" or if a governmental body does the same, it
> becomes some sort of proof positive that the terms are not only
> interchangeable, but we can ignore specificity in favor of a simple catch
> all generic term. All because some professor wrote a paper and, though
> well
> intentioned, ignorantly used the wrong word!!? Or someone in the
> government
> demonstrating equal ignorance?
>
> What a joke!
>
> Let's face it. Those that can, do! and those that cannot, teach! Those
> that
> cannot teach work for the government. It's that simple.
>
> Producer gas, by any other name is still producer gas and if you don't do
> a
> good job making it, the resulting mess is sticky, smelly and unhealthy.
>
> We manufacture gasifiers. We test the hell out of them before we ship them
> in order to ensure each makes the correct amount of producer gas!
>
> Have a gassy New Year!
>
> Bill Klein,
> 3i
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Manning" <a31ford at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_
>
>
>
>
> LMAO Jeff.
>
> You hit two nails with the same hammer.
>
>  Shells' claim is that it "cleans" (their N2 is in the form of a
> "recumbent
> NOx format", that "Boosts" performance to the point of a clean combustion,
> as per say, like a hot-rodders's "NOX" add-on).
>
>
>  Jim's statement (that you included below) Is yet again a form of
> deflection, (incorrect of course), Or should I say, Correct.......
>
>
>
>  N2 content is EXACTLY the differentiation between "SYNGAS" and "Producer
> Gas"
>
>
>
> Heck,
>
> There's Town gas, Lime gas, Produced gas, Producer gas, Coal gas, Wood
> gas,
> Piped gas, Charcoal gas, Synthesis (Syn) gas, Lamp gas, Heating gas,
> Municipal gas, Queen's gas, Lamp lighters gas, Crier's gas, and finally,
> Natural gas.
>
> And as Bill Kline added, the "new and Improved" "GEK Gas" as a tongue in
> cheek addition to the already rampant list above.
>
>
>
> I'm Tired, of people trying to display a "cow" as a cow that is "New and
> Improved" version (chocolate ?), don't muddy the already bad waters of
> gasification, with cross-gendered, yuppie-flavored, names of gases that
> simply ain't so.
>
>
>
> I hate to say it, but... "It's people like you, that have given
> gasification the bad name it already has with investors, with your "pie in
> the sky claims"".
>
> Jim, run your "Syngas" un-stripped in an FT process, (that works), THEN, I
> will relinquish the "the moon" to you....(you will deserve it, for your
> advances in the quantum mechanics of physics).
>
> Greg Manning,
> Canadian Gasifier Ltd.  (http://www.cangas.ca)
> Building Hi-Performance Gasifiers, Since 2001
>
> Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
> 1 (204) 726-1851
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
> Davis
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:35 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_
>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
> As a side note; I drive by a gasoline station, maybe Shell, that puffs
> that they're gasoline has nitrogen added. Interesting...
>
>
> H. N. Y.,
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 21:07 -0800, jim mason wrote:
>> percentage nitrogen density isn't really the relevant racetrack to
>> work out the real issues with this tech.
>
>
>
>
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