[Gasification] ideal wood gas engine
Luke Gardner
lgardner at wwest.net
Fri Feb 25 01:19:56 CST 2011
Tony,
you discussed:
"The Mean effective pressure within the engine during the combustion stroke,
is largely dependent on the length of stroke of the engine, the compression
ratio and the ignition timing."
I beg to differ, the obective is to hit the " hit the nail on the head" for
each combustion stroke with correct ignition timing.
the stroke does come into it as the flame front is chasing the piston down
through the combustion stroke, so the longer the stroke the further it
travels through 90 degrees crank rotation. thus lengthening its burn to peak
push time.
The two really important factors to consider are RPM and fuel burn rate.
different fuels have different burn rates, commonly linked to its octane.
due to the simple geometry of the crank and rod there is a "sweet spot"
during a combustion stroke that provides the greatest mechanical advanage
for a piston to create mechanical energy from pressure above it. It is at
this instant that you want the peak effective pressure.
without going into too many details I would have to dig up, this is the
jist,
at 1800 rpm the crank will turn 90 degrees in .0083 seconds
at 3600 rpm the crank will turn 90 degrees in .0042 seconds
Some fuels burn slow and some fast, the fuels if uniform to themselves will
burn at a calculable speed measured in time.
whatever that time is it takes to go from ignition to peak push it would be
desirable to back the crankshaft up that amount of time (which is further
advanced the higher the rpm, more degrees of "back up") and strike that
match in anticipation of hitting that sweet spot with peak push.
swing to early and you hit the ball,, its just a foul, too early and the
piston loads improperly and cocks in the bore, only to violently shift to it
is loaded properly position once the rod swings through tdc..... and you
have piston clatter, or preignition, or pinging, whatever you want to call
it, its the same thing. Put a set of pistons in backwards and you will
have it all the time unless you advance the timing too far and it will
preignite and the constant clatter will go away,,,, if you got lucky enough
to have your valves clear it.
swing to late and you hit the ball,, its just a foul the other way,, this
would be "detonation" and from what i understand, it is a silent killer of
engines something to do with the combine forces of the mass of the
piston/rod and it still loaded with explosion pressure destroys the rod
bearings.
proper ignition timing control is manditory for optimising engine
preformance and life.
for a fixed rpm engine it can be fixed, but it sure would fire up nicer if
it had some flex for low rpm cranking speeds.
Luke Gardner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony.Batchelor" <Tony.Batchelor at tekura.school.nz>
To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"
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Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] ideal wood gas engine
> Dear Kelvin and members.
>
> This may be my first post to this site, I trust you will all not hope it
> is my last.
>
> Engine power output is a complex issue, factors such as the energy
> density of the fuel, the air/fuel ratio that enters the engine, the volume
> of air/fuel which is able to enter the engine during the induction stroke,
> and the compression pressure reached prior to ignition and the mean
> pressure reached during the combustion stroke are just some of the most
> important factors. Besides the detailed design of intake manifold and
> exhaust pipes which influence how well an engine can breathe.
>
> Where an engine is to be run on wood gas alone, it would be better to do
> away with as many obstructions in the intake manifolds as possible. The
> key point being to get as much of the gas/air mixture into the engine.
> This is one reason why Diesel engines are good as they only have suck in
> air, as fuel is added internally. Fuel injected petrol engines come close
> behind, carburetor models are generally more restricted as air passes
> through the carburetor.
>
> Getting the Air/fuel ratio correct is also vital. Using a "colortune"
> sparkplug is the best way to really know when you have the correct mixture
> as you can see the flame color within the combustion chamber.
>
> A turbocharger can be used to increase the volume of mixture which is
> drawn into engine but whether or not they are practical given the
> possibility of contaminated gas is something I cannot comment on.
>
> The Mean effective pressure within the engine during the combustion
> stroke, is largely dependent on the length of stroke of the engine, the
> compression ratio and the ignition timing.
> The stroke cannot easily be altered but the compression ratio can be
> changed on some engines by machining the cylinder head.
> Altering the intake air pressure, using a turbo or other methods. Such as
> cooling the intake air/fuel temperature.
> And by changing the ignition timing.
> If a petrol (spark ignited) engine is run on wood gas or any other gas,
> the Ignition timing has to be altered. In general the ignition timing
> will be advanced by several degrees, in order to ensure as high a mean
> pressure as possible is reached during the combustion stroke.
> The benefit of using a computer controlled ignition system is that most if
> not all computer controlled systems have a "knock" sensor. The purpose of
> this device is to sense when the ignition of the fuel has caused the
> pressure within the cylinder to rise so high that the remaining un burnt
> fuel spontaneously explodes. This results in engine knock, the resulting
> noise is commonly known as "pinking" Diesel engines knock a lot of the
> time because the very design of the engine is to raise the fuel
> temperature to point when it spontaneously burns.
> Older engines that use a Distributor lack the anti-knock feature. Commonly
> distributors have a simple mechanical advise mechanism, to advance the
> ignition as the engine revs faster, and a Vacuum Retard mechanism which
> aids acceleration. Engines which are subject to varying loads, can
> benefit from the retard mechanism if there is any kind of control valve
> /butterfly on the intake, which would alter the manifold vacuum.
>
> Anyone setting the timing on an engine with a fixed load-speed, needs to
> be sure the advance/retard mechanisms are either working correctly or have
> been locked up. As fixed speed engines can "hunt" if there is any faults
> in or if there is any small changes in the loading or fuel supply.
>
> Tony Batchelor, ex, road transport engineer, now teaching physics.
> Wellington, New Zealand.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2011 1:06 p.m.
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] ideal wood gas engine
>
> Dear Charles
>
> Your stated need is for "about 20 HP" at 1,800 RPM
>
> You should be able to get about 21.4 HP with an engine of 2500 CC (153
> Cubic
> Inches), burning about 19 kG/Hr (42 Lbs/Hr)
>
> It would be very helpful if others could comment on the other aspects of
> an
> engine.... in particular, the Ignition system, whether Distributor or
> "Computer Controlled", and the implications of using a Fuel Injected
> engine,
> rather than a carburetor engine.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Kevin
>
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> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:32 AM
> Subject: [Gasification] ideal wood gas engine
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>> Hi All,
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>> I have several engines to chose from here for my next wood gas project.
>> Going to go ahead with it and just hope the stink has settled form my
>> insurance company ripping hair out of their heads. ( hope they are not on
>> here.. bugger )
>> Besides this is not a heating device so should not count.
>> What out of the junk yard specials would be considered ideal for wood gas
>> give I Only need this time to come up with 20 hp at 1,800 rpm?
>> I have everything in the shop for a Mike clone.
>> Spending a few bucks for the right engine is going to be real cheep just
>> now.
>> I am not keen on stuck valves through pistons. ( it that ever happens...
>> never mind )
>>
>> Regards all,
>> Charles
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