[Gasification] Cyclone

Fri Sep 2 14:21:42 CDT 2011

Hello thanks for the bit on exhaust.
Clem
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Hi Mark
I built a cyclone for my gasifier it is made from a 5" truck exhaust pipe.
It's heavy enough to disapate heat and welds very well. I entered with a 2"
pipe and axhausted with a 2" pipe. The conventional wisdom is 2:1 ratio
inlet pipe to dia.of the cyl.I have tried this unit a couple of times and it
works well. I understand the "cone" bottom is not a great advantage. I have
a simple drawing of it if you want one.
tbone188 at gmail.com

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> On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:12 PM, "Mark E. Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:
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> > I?ll see what I can dig up. I did a project without a final baghouse and
> was amazed at how much the 1% loss of efficiency really amounted to! (it?s
> all super-fines). But getting the first 98-or-99% collected takes a huge
> load off the baghouse. A critical part of the cyclone is a long-ish
> downcomer that allow the material to accumulate and discharge with out
> disrupting the vortex dynamics. Learned by experience! Also, stacked
> Posiflate valves in lieu of a rotary airlock.
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> > Best, Mark
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> > From: Henri Naths [mailto:c_hnaths at telusplanet.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:05 AM
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> > Then, a tall skinny, cyclone
> >
> >
> > Hi mark
> >
> > I was wondering if you or some one on the list has the math for the
> efficiency ratios for cyclones ie. Tall skinny vrs short fat cfm, volume?
> Particulates?
> >
> > Thanks
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> > Henri
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:14 PM, "Mark E. Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:
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> > Then, a tall skinny, cyclone
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Thanks! I'd love to see a sketch. 5" seems pretty minimal; the riser inside
the cyclone would probably be limited to 2-or-2-1/2", and the tangential
entry about the same, but lots of light-phase, vacuum conveyance systems are
built with 2-1/2" tubing and spiral PVC hose. Exhaust tube is fun to weld
with either a little MIG or oxy-acetylene system. Good choice.

For some reason or other (it seems intentional) all of the high-efficiency
cyclones I have worked with have been constructed with long, narrow-angled
conical bottoms. The powder must be exposed to increasing centrifugal forces
as it reaches the discharge zone, to keep it out of the exit airstream, I
reason. But I'm certain that there's a point of diminishing return and KISS
always applies!

Mark

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Hi Mark

I built a cyclone for my gasifier it is made from a 5" truck exhaust pipe.
It's heavy enough to disapate heat and welds very well. I entered with a 2"
pipe and axhausted with a 2" pipe. The conventional wisdom is 2:1 ratio
inlet pipe to dia.of the cyl.I have tried this unit a couple of times and it
works well. I understand the "cone" bottom is not a great advantage. I have
a simple drawing of it if you want one.

tbone188 at gmail.com

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Thanks Mark
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On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:12 PM, "Mark E. Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:

> I?ll see what I can dig up. I did a project without a final baghouse and
was amazed at how much the 1% loss of efficiency really amounted to! (it?s
all super-fines). But getting the first 98-or-99% collected takes a huge
load off the baghouse. A critical part of the cyclone is a long-ish
downcomer that allow the material to accumulate and discharge with out
disrupting the vortex dynamics. Learned by experience! Also, stacked
Posiflate valves in lieu of a rotary airlock.
>
>
>
> Best, Mark
>
>
>
> From: Henri Naths [mailto:c_hnaths at telusplanet.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:05 AM
> To: mark at ludlow.com; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Charcoal Reduction Mill
>
>
>
> Then, a tall skinny, cyclone
>
>
> Hi mark
>
> I was wondering if you or some one on the list has the math for the
efficiency ratios for cyclones ie. Tall skinny vrs short fat cfm, volume?
Particulates?
>
> Thanks
>
> Henri
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:14 PM, "Mark E. Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:
>
> Then, a tall skinny, cyclone
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