[Gasification] CHARCOAL PYROPILE

Dan Nave nave1 at comcast.net
Sat Feb 25 16:43:56 CST 2012


Tom,

You said, "our brush saw attachment for chain saws will cut limbs up to 2-1/2" in diameter as small 
as you want the charcoal pieces"

Are you selling these?  I can not locate them on the web or your site.  Please give a link.

Thanks,

Dan



On 2/21/2012 2:41 PM, Thomas Reed wrote:
> Dear Anand and All:
>
> Depending on the type of charcoal needed, you don't need a kiln at all.  the biomass should have a 
> moisture content less than 20% and cut into small enough pieces so you can make a reasonably dense 
> pile.  (If you have a pile of slash, resulting from cutting a tree down, our brush saw attachment 
> for chain saws will cut limbs up to 2-1/2" in diameter as small as you want the charcoal pieces).
>
> If you make a pyramid of scrap biomass (sticks, twigs, chips, pellets, cobs, ...) and light it ON 
> TOP, the cellulose will form a combustible gas, leaving about 20% charcoal from the lignin.  The 
> top layer of charcoal will ignite the next layer, and each layer. Until allis converted to 
> charcoal, the rising deoxygenated gases protecting the charcoal layers above.
>
> If you put wet newspaper under the pile, when the last layer is converted, the rising steam will 
> quench the pile of charcoal. I call this a CHARCOAL PYROPILE.
>
> Depending on the moisture content of the biomass pile, the temperature of the charcoal will reach 
> 500-700C.  I believe HughMcLaughlin said it was partially activated, but I hope he'll comment.
>
> I hope that farmers in particular will develop this method for converting waste biomass to 
> valuable charcoal fertilizer.
>
> So no kiln needed.
>
> Tom Reed
>
>
>
>
>
> Thomas B Reed
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com <mailto:adkarve at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Dear Darius,
>> if you want to char biomass, you must have a kiln for charring it. The kilns are mainly of two 
>> types. In the oven and retort kiln, the biomass is filled into a closed vessel which is heated 
>> from outside. The pyrolysis gas escapes through a vent in the vessel, leaving the charred matter 
>> behind. The renaissance painters used to make their charcoal sticks by using this process. Also 
>> Yuri Yudkevich in Russia uses this type of a kiln for making charcoal on a commercial scale. In 
>> the TLUD type of kin, which is generally used by most others, the biomass is filled into the 
>> kiln, which is open at the top and which also has holes in the bottom for allowing fresh air into 
>> the kiln. The biomass is ignited from the top, so that the fire traverses downwards. The air 
>> needed for maintaining the fire comes into the kiln through the holes at the base of the kiln. It 
>> rises up and the oxygen in the air is consumed by the burning biomass. Therefore this kiln is 
>> called the Top Lit Up-Draft (TLUD) kiln.
>> Yours
>> A.D.Karve
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM, darius tamizi <darius_tamizi at hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:darius_tamizi at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear Mr. Wu, Mr.Karve
>>
>>     Thank you very much for the paper and explantion. I can undestand the theory, but I do not
>>     know how the apparatus looks like (exp. Oven with N2) and how can I do all the explanation
>>     without the apparatus. Could you help me more about it?
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     Darius
>>
>>
>>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:21:15 +0800
>>     From: adkarve at gmail.com <mailto:adkarve at gmail.com>
>>     To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org <mailto:gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>     Subject: Re: [Gasification] Active charcoal
>>
>>     Dear Darius,
>>       Normally one needs relatively high temperature to make active charcoal, but the
>>     pretreatment with calcium chloride allows us to make active charcoal even at relatively low
>>     temperatures. We make charcoal from light biomass like agricultural waste and use a TLUD type
>>     kiln. You would have to conduct experiments using your biomass and your process of charring
>>     to see if this pretreatment works in your case or not.
>>     Yours
>>     A.D.Karve
>>     On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Darius <darius_tamizi at hotmail.com
>>     <mailto:darius_tamizi at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear Dr. A.D. Karve
>>
>>         Charring material are rubber wood.
>>
>>         Could you tell me the detail process?
>>
>>         Regards,
>>
>>         Darius
>>
>>         On 2/18/2012 9:56 PM, Anand Karve wrote:
>>
>>             Dear Darius,
>>             what material are you charring? We make our charcoal from leaves of sugarcane, which
>>             are discarded during the process of sugarcane harvest. By soaking the leaves in 5%
>>             solution of calcium chloride, dying them and then converting them into char in a TLUD
>>             kiln gives us active charcoal. We have not tested this process in the case of woody
>>             material. Perhaps you can do this experiment.
>>             Yours
>>             A.D.Karve
>>             On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Darius <darius_tamizi at hotmail.com
>>             <mailto:darius_tamizi at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Dear all,
>>
>>                 Is somebody  there can help me to convert our char into active charcoal?
>>
>>                 Regards,
>>
>>                 Darius
>>
>>
>>                 Dr. A.D. Karve
>>                 Trustee & Founder President, Appropriate Rural Technology Institute (ARTI)
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