[Gasification] Potential Gasification Winner?

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Dear Tom M,
     I think that just because a system operates in EU environs has limited 
bearing on it's success in the US or other areas because the EU has active 
gov't support of their renewable energy programs to a much larger degree 
than here in the US. Also, renewable energy rates in Italy particularly, are 
really astronomical and one can afford a lot of costs not tolerated here. 
     From my first hand experiece there, the Italian regulatory system is 
loosey-goosey. The one Italian I was aware of there was arrested, indicted 
for 28 charges of defrauding the government, held under house arrest pending 
trial and then the prosecutor dropped all the charges. I know first hand he 
and his partner were guilty. 
     Some of the EU incinerators operate in excess of permitted levels, but 
are not shut down because there isn't an alternative. One group operated 
for several years until the investigators found that they had forged the 
emission analysis and sent two VPs to jail for doing so and now the $150mm plants 
are shut down. 
     When I was there watching a 35mm Euro acid hydrolysis plant being 
built, I saw them take pipes and weld them together to handle medium pressure 
steam and did absolutely no testing on the welds, no dye, X-ray, Ultrasonic or 
other which would never fly here. I have to admit the guy welding was one 
of the best I had ever seen, but really? One of the engineers on the plant 
said that he wasn't going to be there when it started up because he didn't 
want to see it blow up. 
     Some of the EU folks actively seek US products. I have had lots of 
interest from over there, they have even been willing to take care of the EU 
registration. Which by the way, one Asian gasifier is registered but does not 
have any reference to it's electrostatic precipitator in it's registration 
documents. Not sure how this is done either. 
Sincerely,
Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
President
Thermogenics Inc. 
In a message dated 7/28/12 3:58:55 PM, tmiles at trmiles.com writes:


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> 
> Doug,
>   
> Anyone who has the enthusiasm and the where-with-all to reach the 
> manufacturing stage of developing gasifiers should be given the benefit of the 
> doubt. It is a long road. The proof of any claims is the sustained and reliable 
> operation of a commercial system. Gasifiers installed in the US must meet 
> standards of industrial construction, safety and environmental impact 
> similar to those in Europe, regardless of where they are manufactured. We look 
> forward to seeing third party verified results of their operation. Then we 
> can line up to buy them.    
>  
> AGT and Biogen are private companies. They have been visible at 
> conferences and they have more than one gasifier in operation at least at the 250 kWe 
> scale. They recently installed two 500 kWe gasifiers in Italy near their 
> main offices. It is likely that they will operate those units for 
> significant periods before they start exporting systems. Like others they have had 
> ups and downs during pilot, small scale and commercial operations. They have 
> been selling projects. We hope that those projects are successful.
> 
>  http://www.agtgasification.com/eng/agt_srl.htm
>  http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx
>  
>  
> Tom Miles
> 
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