[Gasification] Identifying and fixing technical and commercial roadblocks to commercial small-scale CHP gasifiers

Greg Manning a31ford at gmail.com
Thu Jun 28 20:14:17 CDT 2012

Greetings David, Tom and list.

David, I ONLY do "small scale" (nothing over 250 KwE) and let me tell you,
the biggest problem is in setup, upfront start up, and real savings.

Many people simply don't have the upfront money to start a build, and once
they do, they generally don't gain the full advantage of the system
because, simply put, in a general term, "people are lazy by nature".

It's easier (slacking) to pay someone else to do your dirty work, than save
the money, and do it yourself.

Garbage, electricity, gasoline, natural gas are good examples of "slacking"

taking your weekly garbage to the local dump (country living), cord wood
for heating, gasification for motive, solar & wind for electricity

People value their "boob-tube time", or "at the lake time", and we can
thank, the banks, visa, mastercard, and lending in general, for all of this
( plus our own stupidity for falling for it all)......

Greg Manning.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:10 PM, David Coote <dccoote at mira.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Tom.
> A very useful study would be identifying at good resolution the reasons
> why small-scale CHP gasifiers fail technically and/or struggle
> commercially. Once that's clearly established suitable focus can be brought
> to bear on what is going wrong between pilot/demonstration and commercial
> phases with a view to fixing the issues. I think the same could apply to
> 2nd generation biofuels.
> Regards
> David
>  -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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>> Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
>> Emne: Re: [Gasification] Which of the gasifiers Tom listed are meeting
>> Knoef's commercial criteria
>> David,
>> It looks like you have the makings of a survey. :-/
>> Harrie's criteria are good and would be difficult for most suppliers to
>> meet. We want gasifiers to be as readily installed and operated as boilers.
>> We should determine what needs to be done to get more suppliers over all
>> of these hurdles.
>> Tom
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