[Gasification] Fwd: For Your Safety from Shell Oil Company - THIS IS NOT A JOKE! Clash of technologies.

[Henri Naths]

Hi Mark , Tom and all
Your right Mark 150 deaths that may or may not be caused cell phones is not a problem for the oil companies. If you look at the billions of gallons of gasoline sold in that time period and take a wild guess at the stats it could be in the neighborhood of .0000001% . Not a problem. But if it's you or your wife and kids in that small insignificant % than its a huge problem. Just saying.
Henri
Any statisticians want weigh in ?

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On 2012-03-18, at 9:43 PM, "Mark Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:

> Dear Tom,
> 
> Most times it's relatively difficult just to keep the optimized gas/air
> mixture igniting in the combustion chambers of our automobiles! This, with
> fat, healthy sparks!
> 
> If this were really an issue for the petroleum companies (It's not!) they
> would not be such rabid advocates of self-service gas!
> 
> Best, Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Reed [mailto:tombreed2010 at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:34 PM
> To: mark at ludlow.com; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fwd: For Your Safety from Shell Oil Company -
> THIS IS NOT A JOKE! Clash of technologies.
> 
> Dear Mark
> 
> I only passed on the warning from Shell Oil.  I have had no experience
> myself with cell phones igniting a combustible vapor, but I don't think it
> is impossible.  What is your basis for thinking so?
> 
> Tom Reed
> 
> Thomas B Reed 
> 
> 
> On Mar 18, 2012, at 10:30 AM, "Mark Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:
> 
>> No one has managed to make a cell phone ignite gasoline vapors. this 
>> is Internet Urban Myth BS!
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Robert Kana
>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:57 AM
>> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fwd: For Your Safety from Shell Oil 
>> Company - THIS IS NOT A JOKE! Clash of technologies.
>> 
>> Dear Dr. Reed,
>> Thanks for the advice, we all know cell phones generate some kind of 
>> magnetic power, when it is connecting. I believe there is a 
>> connection, but gasoline fumes will not ignite unless there is a source of
> heat or spark.
>> Most of the US is now covered with Stage 2 vapor recovery system, 
>> which consist of double pipes, one for fuel going in to the tank 
>> another one fumes going back to storage tanks. All the gasoline trucks
>> are grounded with special wires at the fueling terminals, as well as 
>> grounded in the  gas station delivery points with the metal piping
> connectors.
>> Over 30 years of gas station operator, contractor and installing 
>> underground storage tanks in NY, I had 2 experiences with fires.
>> Actually one fire and one explosion. They both involved with the fumes. 
>> First incident in one of my gas stations, there was a spill in hot 
>> summer, over fill gasoline spilled on the floor. The next car come to 
>> get gas, stopped right on the spill and it caught a fire from the hot 
>> muffler. We put out the fire immediately, but instructed all the gas 
>> stations to keep a bucket full of water to wash any spill and cool the 
>> vapors of  gasoline. On second incident, one of my mechanic friend was 
>> fixing a gas tank and he wanted to look inside the tank with a hand 
>> lamp. The heat source from the lamp cause explosion of the fumes in 
>> the tanks, my friend survived the accident.
>> I just want to add couple more pre cautions. Most of us fill the gas 
>> at self service.
>> When the nozzle clicks, come to closest number and do not overfill.
>> If there is a spill no matter how small just put on some water, most 
>> of the gas stations has water for cleaning windshields.
>> When you pull in the gas station, make sure the ground is clean.
>> And always remember, the fumes from the gasoline is extremely flammable.
>> Regards,
>> Robert
>> 
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