[Gasification] sustainability

Craig Kernan craig at postcollapse.org
Thu Jan 22 13:38:48 CST 2015


I you want safe energy generation, nuclear or other, just require 
insurance to cover all damage, personal injury and deaths coverage at 
the 90th wrongful death settelment level.     I do not know all the 
things needed to make complex, dangerous processes highly unlikely  to 
do do damage, however with this kind of insurance requirement I think a 
lot of the best experts will be working on extremely safe designs. 
Somewhat similar rules might be applied to mining and processing 
industries.

Making explicit rules does not control things well.  taxes work much 
better, If they are not suficintly efecitve they can be adjusted.  If 
not suffiently global impose them on all imports based on worst poluting 
in source country.


Alass, not achievable  in the curent culture.

craig

On 1/22/2015 10:09 AM, Bob Stuart wrote:
> This must be a troll from under the Nuclear bridge.  I live near the 
> first Uranium mines, which are still leaking and producing mutants. 
>  By the time they, and all the other hazards have been cleaned up, 
> there is likely to be no net gain at all.  The potential of nuclear is 
> tiny without re-processing, which has never worked.  It is dwarfed not 
> only by wind, but by hydrothermal vents, the smallest of which puts 
> out the power of several big nukes.  The only thing nukes are good for 
> is producing bomb material and corruption in politics.  Just try to 
> get one insured if you don't believe me.
>
> Bob Stuart
>
> On 22-Jan-15, at 8:49 AM, Kermit Schlansker wrote:
>
>> Ideas on Sustainability
>>
>> We have no right to dismiss Global Warming. The consequences are so 
>> dire that if the probability of warming occurring were only .1% we 
>> still would have to act. Furthermore the question really is whether 
>> we have to conserve or not. As the years go by we will run out of 
>> many resources including fossil fuels and it is imperative that we 
>> conserve them. Still another reason is that by reducing consumption 
>> we can reduce the basic cost of living and that will be essential at 
>> a time where poverty is everywhere.
>> It is imperative that we build more nuclear plants because that is 
>> the only source of energy large enough to save us from total despair. 
>> Solar, biomass and wind can never produce enough to satisfy our 
>> needs. However energy sources are only competitive in terms of 
>> priority and price. We need all of them. Some of them are much easier 
>> to finance than nuclear and we must proceed on all fronts. We must 
>> develop all types of energy conservation and alternate energy 
>> production in order to keep the cost and number of nuclear plants 
>> down to a manageable level.
>> Geometry is the best tool for conserving energy. Cities must be 
>> designed a square mile at a time. That square mile should be packed 
>> with apartment houses, factories, multi-purpose buildings, a 
>> department store, and anything else that is needed for every day 
>> life. Towns should be so designed that “walking to work will save the 
>> earth” The construction of single family houses should be stopped. 
>> The first step is to stop subsidizing them in any way. Apartments 
>> will save large amounts of heating energy and the compactness they 
>> can create will greatly reduce transportation energy. City and county 
>> governments must assist in the formation of car pools. Apartments are 
>> the only way of saving energy that costs nothing because we need a 
>> place to live anyhow.
>> Energy saving devices such as cogeneration, comanufacturing, 
>> combustion driven heat pumps, and solar mirrors for both power 
>> generation and heating must be developed. Biomass gasifying and 
>> biodigestion must be experimented with. Large amounts of biomass 
>> including fruit trees must be planted. Cities must plant parks and 
>> streets with edible plants. It is essential that sewage be 
>> biodigested along with other biomass and used to make fertilizer, 
>> fuel gas, and clean water The digestion residues can initially be 
>> used for fertilizing energy crops in order to avoid pollution problems
>> There should be large farms with apartment houses on them rather than 
>> single family houses that destroy both cropland and wilderness. 
>> Experimental farming should develop both energy and food crops. Farm 
>> apartment buildings are ideal places to experiment with heating, 
>> cooling, small windmills, and solar energy.
>> It is imperative that city, State, and county governments get 
>> involved in initiating large energy projects such as an energy farm 
>> or experimental low heat apartments. A universal factory would also 
>> be a good project. In order to do this they should work together to 
>> start and finance such projects. It is as essential to make it easier 
>> for ordinary citizens to form cooperatives and small corporations 
>> that would do energy or food projects. There should be a roster in 
>> city hall of people that wish to buy stock and help to form such 
>> projects.
>>
>> Kermit SchlanskerPEkssustain at gmail.com <mailto:kssustain at gmail.com>
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