[Gasification] Save the Date: Biochar 2016
Henri Naths
c_hnaths at telusplanet.net
Sat Oct 24 19:29:16 CDT 2015
Hi Tom
Great post, I'm very interested. I have clay here and virtually no top soil. I'm also under the gun as far as growing season is concerned. Could you send me the technical article also
Thanks
Henri
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 6:13 PM, T. GILL <maxlochangill at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Tom,
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> Please send me more articles, or links to them. I am very interested...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Terrey
>
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> Thanks for the info about humic acids, etc. I will be dependent on you and others to see that further research and confirmations, etc take place.
>>
>> About biochar, you have different perceptions than I have. For one, I never refer to it as "activated".
>> You wrote:
>>> It is not soluble in water, acids or bases and cannot be used by soil microbes to form cells.
>> I TOTALLY AGREE, and I consider those to be major FAVORABLE characteristics. Cell of soil microbes (and plants) contain carbon that comes primarily from CO2 in the atmosphere, not from carbon in the soil.
>>
>> I am currently on a work trip in Africa without much time for full responses (but I do read the messages). I will let others make further comments if this discussion continues.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website: www.drtlud.com
>>> On 10/24/2015 4:19 AM, linvent at aol.com wrote:
>>> Bio char is charcoal, when treated with steam and chemicals, can become activated charcoal with higher porosity, surface area and subsequent reactivity for adsorbing materials. However, it's cation exchange capacity, the ability to transfer cations in the soil is limited to perhaps 30-40 milliequivalents/100 grams. It is not soluble in water, acids or bases and cannot be used by soil microbes to form cells. There is no set of standard shown benefits to the soil over a longer term application regime showing either continuing increase in production, reduction in water use or other benefit. In my opinion, it is not a "sustainable" compound because it will not continue to show economic benefits when applied over an extended period.
>>> One other aspect is that it's production has a by-product, pyrolygenious liquors that are basically the condensed volatiles and water from heating it. There isn't much value to the components of this complex mix, and disposing of it is difficult. Producers like Kingsford Charcoal and Calgon activated charcoal companies have their capital in these types of systems to avoid EPA penalties. They are not cheap.
>>> The naturally occurring compounds humic acids are much more effective and infinitely more complex than bio-char and much more studied. Kononova of Russia published volumes on these compounds, Environmental Science and Technology has also published a myriad of articles on them, and they are still a mystery, but what is known is that they are very soil active and have a cation exchange capacity of from 800-1200 milliequivalents/100 grams, and also are water, acid and base soluble, different fractions having different solubility's. They can be used to support microbial growth or suppress it at different concentrations, as an example above 40 PPM C, they suppress algae growth, below it, they enhance it and very significantly. Most contain naturally occurring very powerful, immortal microbes that can eat polyethylene, metals, tires and other rather stable compounds, I know because in my production company where we mined and bagged the humic acid material, our polyethylene bags would last 60-120 days before being eaten up between the bags inside a cool warehouse without sunlight.
>>> Humic acids are also limited in their economic sustainability as repeated application will cause the soil to become depleted of essential nutrients for plant growth and stop performing. Having a sharper pick or shovel doesn't make the mine last longer, just get the minerals out faster. Over the decades we have developed a soil and plant nutritional program which unexcelled, being able to take the worse or best plant growing situation and make it much better with very little input. We have found that the standard fertilizers damage soils and if supplemented with or without humic acids but with the right minerals and forms, become spectacularly productive.
>>> We have been forced out of business by the overzealous environmentalists who don't care what their final effect is, but being a mining operation, were determined to get us to comply with two agencies who violated federal court orders, and prohibitively expensive compliance requirements. With this, we have created compounds that work as well and better than humic acid based materials. The website www.agronicsinc.com goes into some of the benefits, and there are many more including serious remediation of really nasty situations including mercury contaminated soils around natural gas wells. By the way, natural gas contains methyl mercury which is the most toxic forms and one of the most on earth, there is no way to get it out of the human body.
>>> To anyone who is interested, there are also technical articles available I can send.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
>>> Thermogenics Inc.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
>>> To: gasification <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 1:48 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Save the Date: Biochar 2016
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> Could BOTH efforts be useful, and maybe with the results together being even better than each one separately?
>>>
>>> Please help me understand the positive aspects of your message, that is "soil changing organix compounds" and how they might relate to biochar.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 Website: www.drtlud.com
>>>> On 10/23/2015 9:00 PM, linvent at aol.com wrote:
>>>> What a monumental waste. If only these folks would understand how limited their pursuit is and how basically ineffective biochar is in relation to real soil changing organic compounds.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
>>>> Agronics Inc.
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