[Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
Nicolò Cerni
cerni at altair-international.com
Mon Mar 28 17:43:37 CDT 2016
hello
this is exactly the state of the art in Europe
exhaust fumes are used for other applications
regards
n cerni
2016-03-28 22:03 GMT+02:00 Art Krenzel <PHOENIX98604 at msn.com>:
> I have been following this discussion waiting for someone to chime in the
> obvious but so far.... In general terms, an engine utilizes only about
> 25-30% of the total energy as work. The remainder of the energy (70-75%)
> is releases about equally between the exhaust and the engine cooling
> system. So why not use the air from the engine cooling system and divert
> that cooling airflow into the dryer. Now you do not have any of the dew
> point issues, sparks, etc such as when using exhaust gases for drying
> energy. The engine cooling system would use ambient air from the room and
> blow it into dryer with virtually no potential to cause fires or
> overheating of any sort. The engine usually has a fan already in place so
> no new parts would be required. Or you could use both sources of heat
> energy to dry the wet feedstock.
>
> Just a thought......
> Art Krenzel
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> Dear Leland
> the dryer will be for corn and/or cotton stalk chips of up to 80mm in
> length.
>
> Best Regards
> Dimitris
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> Do you want to dry sewage, manure, pomace, DDG's or other biomass
> feedstock?
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>
> Sincerely,
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> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
> Thermogenics Inc.
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> Thank you all for your replies and help.
> Andrew,Besides Dr Reed's handbook, Dr Mukunda from IISC India states the
> same in a paper of his.
> So I guess it is a rather safe assumption to say that you can dry wet
> biomass using the syngas genset's exhaust.
> If I find any experimental data, I will post them here.
> This is a very interesting topic for engineers (besides gasification
> itself).
> Best Regards to all
> Dimitris
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> Dear Dimitris,
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> In Dr Reed's and Agua Das' handbook; illustrates a wet gas recycle plant
> for
> drying green (wet) biomass. This is a direct-contact heat-exchanger; where
> the engine-exhaust goes through the bed of fuel-particles. A high
> temperature fan with a sealed shaft-gland forces convection of gasses from
> the colder outlet to mix with the inlet engine-exhaust gas.
>
> There is much potential energy in Otto cycle engine exhaust; about a third
> of the total chemical energy in the engine's fuel. To capture this energy
> and heat a cartridge full of freshly cut, green hack-wood is the best use
> for this normally wasted heat. The cartridge full of very hot wood is then
> lifted out of the chamber, and quickly emptied into the gasifier.
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> My own design makes an excess of dried wood, beginning at about the
> moisture
> of growing hardwood; In excess of gasifier/engine requirement at about 30
> KW
> load to fuel 5.0 L eight cylinder Otto-cycle engine. Heavier engine loads
> are the only regime where the heat required is adequate. I measured about
> 800 degrees Farenheight when the throttle-plate is operating more towards
> open continually
>
> Operator care must be excercised, because the wood will catch on fire, if
> allowed to cook beyond bone dry and golden brown. He watches the outlet
> temperature which should not exceed about 300 degrees Farenheight. Using
> wet-gas recycle, the whole batch-charge temperature rises at once, instead
> of burning only the wood at the inlet location, while wood particles at the
> outlet remains at the dew point as our friend Toby described. The wet-gas
> recycle fan is a very special machine, and is one of the kind.
>
> In order to fund more research; I am offering a used system. What are your
> requirement?
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> Andrew Schofield
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> Hi Nicolo.
> Thank you (but I believe that giving me an offer is irrelevant to the
> purpose of this list, isn't it?)
> Now to the point:
> According to my calulations, if we consider that a saturated genset exhaust
> stream is @ 415 oC with absolute humidity of 800 gr/kgr (stream A, this is
> what I ask - if its humidity is correct) and we mix it 50%-50% with ambient
> air of 25 oC with 50% relative humidity(stream B), the resulting stream
> will
> be a mixture of about 220 oC with an absolute humidity ~400 gr/kgr(stream
> C).
> This mixture stream C has a drying potential, but I do not know if the
> assumption on stream A is correct.
> Any ideas?
> Best Regards
> Dimitris
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> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> thank you for your replies,
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
> physics point of view...
> Anybody?
> Best Regards
> Dimitris
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> > 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals C.B.)
> > 3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
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> > Hello all.
> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
> > in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> > saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> absolute
> > humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
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> > Hallo Dimitris,
> >
> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
> the
> > latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
> > biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or
> even
> > ignite the biomass.
> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> > exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could
> > be taken out below.
> > Seems simple...
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Rolf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all.
> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> genset
> >> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Dimitris
> >
>
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> hello
> we know we must offer our system
> is it ok?
>
>
> 2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <
> dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
>
> > Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> > thank you for your replies,
> > but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
> > physics point of view...
> > Anybody?
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
> >
> > On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, gasification-request at lists.bioenergylists.org
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> > > 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals C.B.)
> > > 3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
> > > 4. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Nicol? Cerni)
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> > > Hello all.
> > > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> > genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> > > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> > saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> > > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> > absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Dimitris
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> > > Hallo Dimitris,
> > >
> > > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
> > the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry
> wet
> > biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or
> even
> > ignite the biomass.
> > > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
> setup:
> > > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> > exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> > > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
> > could be taken out below.
> > > Seems simple...
> > >
> > > best regards
> > >
> > > Rolf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> > > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello all.
> > >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> > genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> > >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> > saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> > >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> > absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> > >>
> > >> Best Regards
> > >> Dimitris
> > >
> >
> > --
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> Saturated means the gas contains all the water that it can hold and when it
> is put in contact with your wood, will condense into liquid water and give
> up 970 btu per pound of water that condenses. ? ?
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> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> thank you for your replies,
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
> physics point of view...
> Anybody?
> Best Regards
> Dimitris
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> >? ? 1. Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >? ? ? (DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES)
> >? ? 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals C.B.)
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> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> > From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
> > To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> > Message-ID: <42F812A1CF574A238B33CED7CDEFE230 at DimitrisPC>
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> > Hello all.
> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
> > in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> > saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> absolute
> > humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
> > From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
> > To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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> > Hallo Dimitris,
> >
> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
> the
> > latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
> > biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or
> even
> > ignite the biomass.
> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> > exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could
> > be taken out below.
> > Seems simple...
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Rolf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all.
> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> genset
> >> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Dimitris
> >
>
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> hello
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> is it ok?
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> 2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES
> <dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
>
> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> thank you for your replies,
> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
> physics point of view...
> Anybody?
> Best Regards
> Dimitris
>
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> >? ? 1. Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >? ? ? ?(DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES)
> >? ? 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals C.B.)
> >? ? 3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
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> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> > From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
> > To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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> > Hello all.
> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
> > in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> > saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> absolute
> > humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
> > From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
> > To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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> >
> > Hallo Dimitris,
> >
> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
> the
> > latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
> > biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or
> even
> > ignite the biomass.
> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> > exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could
> > be taken out below.
> > Seems simple...
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Rolf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all.
> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> genset
> >> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Dimitris
> >
>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:39:49 +0100
> From: Nicol? Cerni <cerni at altair-international.com>
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> Hello
>
> sorry I ll be back Monday
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> regards
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> 2016-03-23 20:01 GMT+01:00 DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES <
> dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
>
> > Hi Nicolo.
> > Thank you (but I believe that giving me an offer is irrelevant to the
> > purpose of this list, isn't it?)
> > Now to the point:
> > According to my calulations, if we consider that a saturated genset
> > exhaust stream is @ 415 oC with absolute humidity of 800 gr/kgr (stream
> A,
> > this is what I ask - if its humidity is correct) and we mix it 50%-50%
> > with
> > ambient air of 25 oC with 50% relative humidity(stream B), the resulting
> > stream will be a mixture of about 220 oC with an absolute humidity ~400
> > gr/kgr(stream C).
> > This mixture stream C has a drying potential, but I do not know if the
> > assumption on stream A is correct.
> > Any ideas?
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:38:12 +0200
> > From: Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
> > To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
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> > Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> > thank you for your replies,
> > but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
> > physics point of view...
> > Anybody?
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
> >
> > On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, gasification-request at lists.bioenergylists.org
> wrote:
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> >> 1. Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> (DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES)
> >> 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals C.B.)
> >> 3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
> >> 4. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Nicol? Cerni)
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
> >> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> Message-ID: <42F812A1CF574A238B33CED7CDEFE230 at DimitrisPC>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hello all.
> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> genset
> >> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Dimitris
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> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
> >> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
> >> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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> >>
> >> Hallo Dimitris,
> >>
> >> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
> >> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry
> >> wet
> >> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or
> >> even
> >> ignite the biomass.
> >> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
> >> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> >> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> >> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
> could
> >> be taken out below.
> >> Seems simple...
> >>
> >> best regards
> >>
> >> Rolf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all.
> >>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Dimitris
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> > --
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> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:48:27 +0100
> > From: Nicol? Cerni <cerni at altair-international.com>
> > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
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> > Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> > hello
> > we know we must offer our system
> > is it ok?
> >
> >
> > 2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <
> > dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
> >
> > Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> >> thank you for your replies,
> >> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
> >> physics point of view...
> >> Anybody?
> >> Best Regards
> >> Dimitris
> >>
> >> On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, gasification-request at lists.bioenergylists.org
> >> wrote:
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> >> > 1. Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> > (DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES)
> >> > 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals
> C.B.)
> >> > 3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
> >> > 4. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Nicol? Cerni)
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > Message: 1
> >> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> > From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
> >> > To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> > Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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> >> >
> >> > Hello all.
> >> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >> >
> >> > Best Regards
> >> > Dimitris
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> >> > Message: 2
> >> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
> >> > From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
> >> > To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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> >> >
> >> > Hallo Dimitris,
> >> >
> >> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
> >> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry
> >> wet
> >> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or
> >> even
> >> ignite the biomass.
> >> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
> >> > setup:
> >> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> >> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> >> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
> >> could be taken out below.
> >> > Seems simple...
> >> >
> >> > best regards
> >> >
> >> > Rolf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello all.
> >> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >> >>
> >> >> Best Regards
> >> >> Dimitris
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 08:26:06 +0530
> From: shivanand at infiniteenergyindia.com
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> Hi Dimitris,
>
> Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only
> pure steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.
>
> Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the
> molar% of H2O in the exhaust.
>
> This is typically around 55 Deg C.
>
> Regards
>
> Shivanand
>
>
>
> On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:
> > Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> > thank you for your replies,
> > but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
> > physics point of view...
> > Anybody?
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
> >
> > On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, gasification-request at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > wrote:
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> >> 1. Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> (DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES)
> >> 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals
> >> C.B.)
> >> 3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
> >> 4. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Nicol? Cerni)
> >>
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> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
> >> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> Message-ID: <42F812A1CF574A238B33CED7CDEFE230 at DimitrisPC>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hello all.
> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Dimitris
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
> >> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
> >> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> Message-ID: <20160321215908.f42e41dc1849bfeb92b91d8c at gmx.de>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >>
> >> Hallo Dimitris,
> >>
> >> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
> >> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry
> >> wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize
> >> or even ignite the biomass.
> >> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
> >> setup:
> >> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> >> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> >> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
> >> could be taken out below.
> >> Seems simple...
> >>
> >> best regards
> >>
> >> Rolf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello all.
> >>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Dimitris
> >>
> >
> > --
> > ??????,
> >
> > ???????? ???????
> > ????.???????????? ????????? - MSc
> > _______________________________________
> > ??????? & ??????????
> > ?????????? 12
> > ??????
> > ?.?. 41222
> > ???./FAX:2410256400
> > www.kokaras.gr
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> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:33:53 -0700
> From: "Mark Elliott Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com>
> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> ...however, it's temperature quickly falls! Automotive exhaust systems rust
> away primarily because of condensation of moisture in the exhaust stream.
>
> Others have pointed-out that condensation is a very effective way to
> transfer thermal energy, which drives moisture from the interior of fuel
> particles. This is phenomenon is effectively used in very many counter-flow
> drying apparati.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
> On
> Behalf Of shivanand at infiniteenergyindia.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:56 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Hi Dimitris,
>
> Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only pure
> steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.
>
> Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the
> molar% of H2O in the exhaust.
>
> This is typically around 55 Deg C.
>
> Regards
>
> Shivanand
>
>
>
> On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:
> > Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> > thank you for your replies,
> > but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like
> > from physics point of view...
> > Anybody?
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
> >
> > On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, gasification-request at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > wrote:
> >> Send Gasification mailing list submissions to
> >> gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
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> >> 1. Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> (DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES)
> >> 2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals
> >> C.B.)
> >> 3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
> >> 4. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Nicol? Cerni)
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> -
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
> >> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> Message-ID: <42F812A1CF574A238B33CED7CDEFE230 at DimitrisPC>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hello all.
> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Dimitris
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
> >> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
> >> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
> >> Message-ID: <20160321215908.f42e41dc1849bfeb92b91d8c at gmx.de>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >>
> >> Hallo Dimitris,
> >>
> >> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust,
> >> but the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used
> >> to dry wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to
> >> pyrolize or even ignite the biomass.
> >> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
> >> setup:
> >> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> >> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> >> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
> >> could be taken out below.
> >> Seems simple...
> >>
> >> best regards
> >>
> >> Rolf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello all.
> >>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Dimitris
> >>
> >
> > --
> > ??????,
> >
> > ???????? ???????
> > ????.???????????? ????????? - MSc
> > _______________________________________
> > ??????? & ??????????
> > ?????????? 12
> > ??????
> > ?.?. 41222
> > ???./FAX:2410256400
> > www.kokaras.gr
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> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 07:52:05 -0700
> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
> To: <mark at ludlow.com>, "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
> gasification'" <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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> Both direct and indirect methods are used. Sometimes heat from the engine
> exhaust is transferred to drying air, or directly to the fuel, using a heat
> exchanger. The temperature of the moisture laden exhaust exiting from the
> dried material must be above the dew point of the gas. By the time you
> dilute the engine exhaust to a temperature suitable for drying the fuel
> without cooking it - usually 50C-120C/120F-250 F - the dew point is pretty
> low so you need to dry in a thin layer, like on a belt, or blow the gas
> through the fuel with enough velocity, and with enough time, to let the
> condensation layer work up through the pile of fuel. In a thick bed or bin
> the moisture condenses in a layer in the fuel until it gets hot enough to
> evaporate.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Mark Elliott Ludlow
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:34 PM
> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> ...however, it's temperature quickly falls! Automotive exhaust systems rust
> away primarily because of condensation of moisture in the exhaust stream.
>
> Others have pointed-out that condensation is a very effective way to
> transfer thermal energy, which drives moisture from the interior of fuel
> particles. This is phenomenon is effectively used in very many counter-flow
> drying apparati.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]
> On
> Behalf Of shivanand at infiniteenergyindia.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:56 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
> Hi Dimitris,
>
> Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only pure
> steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.
>
> Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the
> molar% of H2O in the exhaust.
>
> This is typically around 55 Deg C.
>
> Regards
>
> Shivanand
>
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>
> On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:
> > Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
> > thank you for your replies,
> > but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like
> > from physics point of view...
> > Anybody?
> > Best Regards
> > Dimitris
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> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
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> >> Hello all.
> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
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> >> Best Regards
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> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
> >> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
> >> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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> >> Hallo Dimitris,
> >>
> >> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust,
> >> but the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used
> >> to dry wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to
> >> pyrolize or even ignite the biomass.
> >> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
> >> setup:
> >> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
> >> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
> >> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
> >> could be taken out below.
> >> Seems simple...
> >>
> >> best regards
> >>
> >> Rolf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
> >> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello all.
> >>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
> >>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
> >>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
> >>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
> >>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
> >>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Dimitris
> >>
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