[Gasification] Getting both heat and char . chip boiler with down-up gasification !

[Paul Anderson]

List,

I do not understand German, so I only saw the video.  What is the price 
tag?   And what is the thermal output?   And what is the quantity (char 
weight percentage of input fuel)?

Paul

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On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Energies Naturals C.B. wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1Ki-ngFjE
>
> Never seen before in heating boilers,clever!
>
> Rolf
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:33:30 +1300
> Doug <doug.williams.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul and Rolf,
>>
>> Pyrolytic  gas can be quite wet so precise temperatures are risky to
>> quote. What I can tell you from experience, is that it always burns
>> hotter than clean producer gas, upwards of 1,050C, a basic tar test for
>> cleaner specification gas, 13-1500C is a rough rule of thumb for gas
>> exiting the combustion chamber. It has a very high radiation factor
>> useful for refractory application, but the price for this is that you
>> will get a high ash content in the kiln and flue dust emissions.
>>
>> The actual combustion is complex, but achievable in a non regulated
>> situation, emissions being the issue, both dust and toxic gas CO,CH4,
>> and Dioxins. Combustion of these gases have been our focus for some 6-7
>> years, and current work at CalForest in California, is to use this gas
>> to dry the incoming fuel to the charmaker.
>>
>>    Might be able to offer more later as you develop the concept.
>>
>> Doug Williams.
>>
>> On 04/01/17 12:20, Paul Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Rolf,
>>>
>>> I am responding to your two messages that are repeated below.
>>>
>>> I am definitely with you on this matter of making heat AND making
>>> char.   I have lots of experience with small scale devices, and
>>> moderate experience up to 200 kW thermal.
>>>
>>> Yes, BOTH the heat and the char are important, and help to pay for the
>>> other one.
>>>
>>> Before taking the discussion off-list, could you please tell all of us
>>> about your needs and about your resources.   No solution is free from
>>> the development costs.   Does the kiln already exist (or is that
>>> another cost to be covered?)   And we want to find out who else has a
>>> "burning" interest in this.   (This was 2/3rds of  a pun.   2/3rds
>>> is   P   U  ; as in pew!!)  (With full respect for the non-native
>>> English speakers on this listserv, here is then meaning of the joke:
>>>> Wordwizard • View topic - *PEW* !! whats that??
>>>> <http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63421>
>>>> http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63421 mj (a.k.a.
>>>> Michael), The word *PEW*! has been around a bit more than decades (
>>>> see ... 2) [1859] Expressing disgust at an unpleasant *smell*.
>>> And where it happens does make a difference, such as with labor costs.
>>>    You are in Mexico.   In what part?   Plenty of dry biomass??  Please
>>> send info.   Okay if in Spanish (I can read that, and if others
>>> cannot, we will cross that bridge when necessary).
>>>
>>> Do you know Noel C. of forestry in Mexico?   Could this become a
>>> Mexico project?
>>>
>>> Question for everyone:  When "woodgas" (pyrolytic gases) come off of
>>> the biomass, what is the highest temperatures at which they can be
>>> burned?   That would be with stochiometric combustion, right? Just the
>>> right amount of air.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
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