[Gasification] Getting both heat and char . chip boiler with down-up gasification !

Paul Anderson psanders at ilstu.edu
Wed Jan 11 09:02:35 CST 2017


Bjorn,

Thank you.

I was expecting a much higher price.  But it is not inexpensive. The 
smallest unit (half-size of energy but same-size physically) is probably 
about US$ 14,000.

Not what I am seeking for the developing countries, but very nice for 
developed, cool & cold climate countries.

Paul

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Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
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On 1/11/2017 3:30 AM, Björn Kuntze wrote:
> Hi at all,
>
> I got a rough price for the WINDHAGER "wood chip gasifier heating unit"
> the WINDHAGER puroWIN in the size PW 49 is about 17000 US$ (without VAT, without shipping, without installation).
> See table for capcities: http://www.windhager.com/int_en/products/wood-chip/purowin/
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / with best regards
> Björn Kuntze
>
>
> MasterGas UG (haftungsbeschränkt)
> Bloherfelder Anger 7
> 26129 Oldenburg
> Germany
>
> Geschäftsführer: Björn Kuntze
>
> Mobil:  +49 (0) 177 345 1557
> Email:   kuntze at mastergas.de
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] Im Auftrag von Björn Kuntze
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2017 16:38
> An: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Betreff: Re: [Gasification] Getting both heat and char . chip boiler with down-up gasification !
>
> Paul,
>
> I asked WINDHAGER for a price indication. I will let you know when I get an answer.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / with best regards Björn Kuntze
>
>
> MasterGas UG (haftungsbeschränkt)
> Bloherfelder Anger 7
> 26129 Oldenburg
> Germany
>
> Geschäftsführer: Björn Kuntze
>
> Mobil:  +49 (0) 177 345 1557
> Email:   kuntze at mastergas.de
> Web:    www.mastergas.de
>
> Handelsregister:  HRB 211272 – Amtsgericht Oldenburg
> USt-ID-Nr:  DE307863882
> St.-Nr:         64/213/02649
>
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] Im Auftrag von Paul Anderson
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2017 08:04
> An: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Betreff: Re: [Gasification] Getting both heat and char . chip boiler with down-up gasification !
>
> Bjorn,
>
> Thanks!!!!
>
> The product looks attractive, and with great engineering.   What is the
> price?
>
> Some similarities (and differences) with the less-attractive but
> well-built Chip Energy Biomass Furnace mentioned in earlier messages.
> it also does hydronic (hot water) heating and at the 50 kW(thermal)
> range.   It does product charcoal that is desirable as biochar.   In
> fact, the value of the char is about equal to the cost of the fuel (prefer pellets), so the heat can be almost free. Price tag is US$50,000 (negotiable related to customer requirements) in a 20 foot shipping container.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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> On 1/9/2017 12:36 AM, Björn Kuntze wrote:
>> Paul,
>>
>> since I am German, I understood the video, of course.
>>
>> The system is designed for hot water production for domestic and commercial space heating. Power range is 7...60 kW. There is no charcoal production. This unit burns the wood and the ash is disposed. According to European standards ash for disposal may not contain more than 5% of combustibles (char), otherwise it cannot be used for landfill.
>>
>> Here is the link to the English website for further information:
>> http://www.windhager.com/int_en/products/wood-chip/purowin/
>>
>> Bjorn
>>
>>    
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Gasification
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] Im Auftrag von
>> Paul Anderson
>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2017 05:26
>> An: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> Betreff: Re: [Gasification] Getting both heat and char . chip boiler with down-up gasification !
>>
>> List,
>>
>> I do not understand German, so I only saw the video.  What is the price
>> tag?   And what is the thermal output?   And what is the quantity (char
>> weight percentage of input fuel)?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
>> On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Energies Naturals C.B. wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1Ki-ngFjE
>>>
>>> Never seen before in heating boilers,clever!
>>>
>>> Rolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:33:30 +1300
>>> Doug <doug.williams.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Paul and Rolf,
>>>>
>>>> Pyrolytic  gas can be quite wet so precise temperatures are risky to
>>>> quote. What I can tell you from experience, is that it always burns
>>>> hotter than clean producer gas, upwards of 1,050C, a basic tar test
>>>> for cleaner specification gas, 13-1500C is a rough rule of thumb for
>>>> gas exiting the combustion chamber. It has a very high radiation
>>>> factor useful for refractory application, but the price for this is
>>>> that you will get a high ash content in the kiln and flue dust emissions.
>>>>
>>>> The actual combustion is complex, but achievable in a non regulated
>>>> situation, emissions being the issue, both dust and toxic gas
>>>> CO,CH4, and Dioxins. Combustion of these gases have been our focus
>>>> for some
>>>> 6-7 years, and current work at CalForest in California, is to use
>>>> this gas to dry the incoming fuel to the charmaker.
>>>>
>>>>      Might be able to offer more later as you develop the concept.
>>>>
>>>> Doug Williams.
>>>>
>>>> On 04/01/17 12:20, Paul Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rolf,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am responding to your two messages that are repeated below.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am definitely with you on this matter of making heat AND making
>>>>> char.   I have lots of experience with small scale devices, and
>>>>> moderate experience up to 200 kW thermal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, BOTH the heat and the char are important, and help to pay for
>>>>> the other one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before taking the discussion off-list, could you please tell all of us
>>>>> about your needs and about your resources.   No solution is free from
>>>>> the development costs.   Does the kiln already exist (or is that
>>>>> another cost to be covered?)   And we want to find out who else has a
>>>>> "burning" interest in this.   (This was 2/3rds of  a pun.   2/3rds
>>>>> is   P   U  ; as in pew!!)  (With full respect for the non-native
>>>>> English speakers on this listserv, here is then meaning of the joke:
>>>>>> Wordwizard • View topic - *PEW* !! whats that??
>>>>>> <http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63421>
>>>>>> http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63421 mj (a.k.a.
>>>>>> Michael), The word *PEW*! has been around a bit more than decades
>>>>>> ( see ... 2) [1859] Expressing disgust at an unpleasant *smell*.
>>>>> And where it happens does make a difference, such as with labor costs.
>>>>>      You are in Mexico.   In what part?   Plenty of dry biomass??  Please
>>>>> send info.   Okay if in Spanish (I can read that, and if others
>>>>> cannot, we will cross that bridge when necessary).
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know Noel C. of forestry in Mexico?   Could this become a
>>>>> Mexico project?
>>>>>
>>>>> Question for everyone:  When "woodgas" (pyrolytic gases) come off
>>>>> of the biomass, what is the highest temperatures at which they can be
>>>>> burned?   That would be with stochiometric combustion, right? Just the
>>>>> right amount of air.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
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