[Gasification] Need for off-grid non-solar electricity where biomass is plentiful

[Anderson, Paul]

Werner,

Thank you for that information.   Do you have any price info to match to the units?

My interests are actually at the smaller end of the line, such as 8 to 22 kWe.

Still looking for some indication of the market size in areas where the value of the electricity can  make units economically sustainable.

Paul



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From: Gasification <gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org> On Behalf Of Werner Rhein
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 5:17 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Need for off-grid non-solar electricity where biomass is plentiful

Hello Paul and the rest of you, who are interested in wood gasification that is working.

Here some more information from Spanner mainly about some larger installations. Again working without problems and very little maintenance.




Werner Rhein
Another Solution Consulting






On Nov 11, 2018, at 13:33, Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:

Dear Werner and all,

5500 units is a goodly number!!   Does that refer to the Canadian link that you provided that mentions each unit producing 45 kWe and 109 kWthermal?   I assume that is maximum sustained output, right?    Are those units capable of operation at 20 – 25 kWe and still be efficient?   And I did not see the price.

What is the size of the market for units of that size?   Have they reached 2% or 20% or 60%of the market?   That needs to be considered.

I think that the issues will boil down to costs and ease of use and APPROPRIATE SIZE.   There will be several  “markets”  to be satisfied by different products.

Paul

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Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
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From: Gasification <gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org<mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>> On Behalf Of Werner Rhein
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 2:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] Need for off-grid non-solar electricity where biomass is plentiful

Hi all,

very interesting question but with an easy answer. There are now several manufacturers of wood gasification generators in Europe the US and China.

I established connections to the German company with most of experience, 5500 units installed and over 20 000 000 hours of operation, trouble free.


Here an installation in Canada.

https://www.canadianbiomassmagazine.ca/news/green-gas-kwadacha-nation-installs-wood-gasification-system-6699


Here the US All Power Lab,

http://www.allpowerlabs.com/

Why are you looking in all the wrong places. Go to the proven products, install it and use it. Then if necessary improve it. Way less time consuming and investment.

Werner Rhein

Another Solution Consulting.




On Nov 11, 2018, at 12:29, Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:

Tom and all,

Please guide us (as a start) to understanding the needs and realities of off-grid non-solar power where biomass is plentiful.   Are there some key links?

Low-population, forested high latitude areas (less sunlight) without easy boat or train access would seem to be a major geographic region of need.  Diesel generators seem to dominate the power generation.   What sources confirm these statements, how big is the problem (expressed as numbers of gensets at what sizes), and what is being done about it, and by whom?    (Canadians, please reply with your info.)

This should be a significant topic for this Listserv.

Paul

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From: Gasification <gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org<mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>> On Behalf Of tmiles at trmiles.com<mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] APL Gasifier in the Microgrid at the 2018 Verge Conference

Are you in a marine air environment? There are many villages that need electricity in low coastal areas..

Tom

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