[Digestion] Biogas Groups

Wed Dec 1 08:01:22 CST 2010

Hi all:

I really like the idea of having some useful material in Spanish, and pretty
much agree that having another isolated island of the same topic doesn't
make sense. As a Mexican I would like to contribute spreading all the very
interesting insights/project results and/or other interesting information
discussed
in this forum. Congratulations to Alex for the initiative. I am right
now working in Croatia in a different field but my background of
agricultural engineering and a
master degree on environmental economics could help to support this
initiative. Therefore I am able to volunteer with my time to let say
translate, either from english to spanish or spanish to
english, around 600 words (one page, font: times new roman  size: 11) every
week, I mean nowadays is very easy to be in contact with so many IT tools
and online coomunication platforms out there. That wont be a professional
translation service but I think as an starting point it can really add value
to the idea (and I will make the best effort to contribute with this).

I am personally interested in the topic because my professional activities
in Croatia will probably have to do with the dissemination and design of
small and medium green technologies and I am planning to extend this
activity somehow in Mexico.

Saludos!

Hermes Arriaga Sierra
linkedIn: hermes.arriaga

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Alexander Eaton <alex at sistemabiobolsa.com>wrote:

> No one has suggested suggested poaching things from private websites, and
> then re-posting without credit, and that issues is really pretty well dealt
> with under standard plagiary laws and/or ethics, of which we obviously
> adhere.
>
> I am envisioning a newletter-type posting that summarizes points, gives
> credit, or at least lists people involved in the conversation.  This would
> be a public list serve run by a non-profit whose goals are to spread the AD
> WORD.  But maybe just generating ideas from this list, that lead to research
> and monthly topics of discussion would be a better route.
>
> To look at this the other way, I would never cite anything I read in a post
> here in a research paper, nor would I present it to a Spanish audience as
> fact.  What comments here should lead to is further research that could then
> back-up opinions.  In some cases, for example the work of Dr. Karve, he
> presents a lot of original research findings, and then invites us to see
> where those points are published.
>
> Maybe a better way to go would be the translation of questions and comments
> generated from our spanish list to Enlgish, and then the presentation of
> them here.  They could come with context, and any initial discussion to
> date.  Anyone responding would then know we were going to be translated and
> re-posted.  That way we avoid any issues.   I have trouble believing that
> anyone would be posting anything confidential, and that no one here is
> really posting anything truly NEW, so I would like to think that comments
> here are destined for the PUBLIC, regardless of language, but...all of those
> point warrant further investigation.
>
> What I want to avoid is another Island, isolated, going over the same
> topics and asking the same questions, with no giant shoulders to stand on...
>
> A
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Markus Schlattmann <firmen at schlattmann.de
> > wrote:
>
>>  Yes, anything published without password protection in the internet is
>> public, but generally not public domain (this is often misunderstood).
>> Normally if you summarize other people's thougts and writings that is not
>> your own generated content you give a source information.
>>
>> This must be so, since nobody would create websites spending hours in
>> creating content if anyone could recycle this in an easy way, giving no
>> source information and claiming an own copyright. There would be just
>> recyclers and no new content.
>> And sometimes I see ideas or content copied from my page (sometimes just
>> copy and paste without changing anything). Of course this is not very
>> amusing.
>>
>> Even Wikipedia is not "public domain" but "creative commons".
>>
>> But I actually don't know the license system of the REPP servers, list
>> owners and users.
>> And this stuff is not my matter of concern.
>>
>> Of course I write this in a point of view of a webmaster, not as a member
>> of this list.
>>
>> Sorry for being really "offtopic" to biogas discussion.
>> But if user postings are copied, summarized and translated this may be of
>> concern for every single user.
>> If I would have a very good idea, and I would like to discuss this, I
>> would not do this in the field of public domain.
>> It also depends who uses the information. Is it a commercial website? Or
>> another REPP list group?
>>
>> In my point of view there should be at least a link to the REPP archive
>> page stating where the original content is taken from. So there would be
>> also a benefit for the original list.
>>
>> REPP list postings is exclusive content generated by each single user.
>>
>> If it can be copied, summarized and translated by anyone in any way, it's
>> no more exclusive content.
>> Then it's public domain. This is the point you should become aware of.
>>
>> And if it's public domain, just tell me! I wrote that my english board is
>> not very active yet, but I could post some summaries, leading to duplicate
>> content but who cares! ;-)
>> Forget the last 2 sentences, just a bad joke pointing to the problem I
>> talk about.
>>
>> I hope I didn't bore you with this stuff.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> Am 30.11.2010 22:23, schrieb Alexander Eaton:
>>
>> Thanks Marcus for the additional thoughts.  I think we may be able to
>> avoid this issues bu summarizing questions and responses, and attempting to
>> outline differing thoughts or conflicts surrounding certain issues.  As I
>> understand it, anything I post to this forum is public, and aside from
>> egregious plagiary or slander, recycling this information would be OK.  I do
>> understand your concerns regarding attribution, or directly quoting anyone
>> in a translation situation.   This may warrant further discussion, and there
>> will likely be some trial and error.
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
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