[Digestion] Attachment to previous Article - More scientific based research and questions

Anand Karve adkarve at gmail.com
Wed Oct 6 15:45:14 PDT 2010

Dear Alexander,
thanks for the correction. In our system, 1 kg (dry) food waste provides 1
kW electricity for 1 hour. I am absolutely sure of these figures, because we
are daily generating electricity on our own campus by using food waste from
our own hostel. If your calculations show our system to be 3 times as
efficient as the one reported in the article, then it must be so. All I can
claim is that our biogas production system is currently the cheapest and the
most efficient biogas system in the world. Scientists of a prestigeous
Institute of the Government of India had come to us to have a look at our
biogas system, because using the same amount of waste, our system
produced 10 times as much biogas as the two phase system developed by them.
The report submitted by them to their bosses explained the difference in the
performance of the two systems being due to the fact that their system was
primarily a waste disposal system, whereas ours was primarily a biogas
generating system. So far, we have installed about 5000 such biogas plants
all over India and also about 50 on the African continent.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Alexander Eaton <alex at sistemabiobolsa.com>wrote:

> Hi Dr. Karve:
> A small point, your energy conversion from gas volume to kW needs to be
> modified.  Either the gas volume needs to be presented in a daily rate,
> which therefore can be converted to power potential (kW, meaning X kW over
> the 24 hours of a day), or you need to convert a volume of biogas into kWh,
> a unit of energy.  This is important, as I am very interested in your post,
> but it does not make sense as stated, and the two possible options are very
> different.  I THINK you mean that 0.8 m3 of biogas can generate 1 kWh of
> electricity (provide 1 kW of power for 1 hour).  Is this correct?
> Also, the discrepancy between house values could be a US to the Rest of the
> World translation: the average US household uses 11,040 kWh annually, an
> average of 920 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per month, or about 30 kWh per day.
> That would means that by your calculation the food waste mentioned would
> generate enough electricity for 80 homes in the US, or more than 3 times the
> estimate in the article.  I think there may be something lost in
> translation?  What do you think?  Could it be that the ARTI system can
> produce 3 times the amount of energy as other food waste digesters?  Or are
> you not taking the energy conversion in an internal combustion engine into
> account, which would cut the raw energy value by about 3 times when
> converting to electricity?
> Best,
> A
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Hooroo,
>> our ARTI biogas system produces about 800 litres or 0.8 cubic
>> meters biogas from 1 kg (dry weight) of food waste. It takes about 500
>> litres (0.5 cubic m) to generate one kW electricity, if one uses an internal
>> combustion engine to drive the generator.  The article reproduced by you
>> says that 3 tons of food waste produces enough power to provide electricity
>> to 25 houses for a day. Assuming that the food waste mentioned in the
>> article has about 50% water, the three tons are reduced to a dry weight of
>> 1.5 tons, which would produce, in a single phase ARTI biogas plant, about
>> 1,200,000 litres or 1200 cubic meters of biogas, enough to generate about
>> 2400 kW electricity. It is unfortunate that the article reproduced by you
>> does not give figures, but I thnk that with food waste as rqw material, the
>> ARTI biogas system might turn out to be more efficient in converting food
>> waste into biogas. There are also factual mistakes in the article reproduced
>> by you. It says that there are no methane producing bacteria in the human
>> gut. This is not true. The methanogens are found in the guts of all animals.
>> I also question the concept of a series of organisms converting cellulose to
>> starch to sugar to organic acids to acetic acid to methane. An organism
>> needs extra-cellular digestion only in the case of cellulose. Once it gets
>> converted into glucose, it is taken into the cell and metabolised to the end
>> by one and the same micro-organism.
>> Yours
>> A.D.Karve
>>   On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:08 AM, Paul Harris <
>> paul.harris at adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
>>>    G’day All,
>>> A couple of people have asked for the attachment to an article I reposted
>>> for Dhanesh Kumar [daquab4u at gmail.com]. I left it off thinking it had
>>> exceeded the Listserver size limit but will try again.
>>> Happy Digesting,
>>> Turning Trash Into Power
>>> Biological Engineers Generate Natural Gas with Bacteria
>>> *October 1, 2006* — A new kind of waste digester uses two different
>>> strains of bacteria in different tanks. This would normally take place in
>>> the same environment, but microbiologists have now separated it into two
>>> stages that increases natural-gas production. The technology increases
>>> efficiency and can turn three tons of food scraps into enough energy to
>>> power 25 homes for a day.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *See also:*
>>> *Plants & Animals* <http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/plants_animals/>
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>>> DAVIS, Calif. -- There's a new twist on the old adage, one man's trash is
>>> another man's treasure. Now that trash may be another man's power.
>>> Researchers in California are turning garbage into bio-gas that may one day
>>> provide the electricity in your home.
>>> Trash could soon be powering your home. A new digester can transform it
>>> into energy. It uses two strains of bacteria to convert waste into bio-gas.
>>> Most digesters store both bacteria in the same tank, which makes the process
>>> unpredictable and slow. But not this digester.
>>> "Zhang's process takes the two bacteria and separates them into two
>>> separate environments," Dave Konwinski, the director of OnSite Power Systems
>>> in Davis, Calif., tells DBIS.
>>> This new and improved digester is the brain child of Biological Engineer
>>> Ruihong Zhang. She and her students at UC Davis first built its prototype in
>>> the lab. She's thrilled her new technology is being put to use in the real
>>> world.
>>> "It's a new technology ... So it's like a child grow into adult," she
>>> says.
>>> The digester will turn three tons of food scraps into energy for 25
>>> houses a day. But it's not just for homes. The digester could be especially
>>> useful to fuel processing plants. It s scheduled to be up and running this
>>> fall. OnSite Power Systems plans to market it in several states in the next
>>> couple of years, including California, Wisconsin and Minnesota.
>>> "We can actually scale a digester to fit their current operations, fill
>>> it right at their operations, take the waste stream into the digester, and
>>> the energy right back into the plant," Konwinski says. "It will make a
>>> substantial dent in our current energy requirement for petroleum."
>>> It's a win-win-win situation for the environment, industry and consumers.
>>> *BACKGROUND:* Environmental engineers at the University of California,
>>> Davis, are building a full-scale anaerobic digester that can convert any
>>> type of solid organic waste into electricity -- even leftovers from
>>> restaurants. The system is part of the $100,000 Sacramento Municipal Utility
>>> District (SMUD pilot project), but an even larger digester system is being
>>> put into place in San Francisco.
>>> *HOW IT WORKS:* In the process, food waste is collected from restaurants
>>> and institutions and then fed to bacteria that thrive in low-oxygen
>>> environments. It's called anaerobic digestion, a naturally occurring process
>>> of decomposition. One type of bacteria turns carbohydrates into simple
>>> sugars, amino acids and fatty acids. A second group of bacteria eats those
>>> compounds and turns them into hydrogen gas, carbon dioxide, and acetic acid
>>> -- the primary component of vinegar. Then a third group of bacteria takes
>>> those broken-down compounds and turns them into methane and carbon dioxide.
>>> Between 60 and 80 percent becomes methane. The methane can be used as fuel
>>> for an internal combustion engine that provides electricity.
>>> *TYPES OF DIGESTION:* Anaerobic digestion is not the same thing as human
>>> digestion, since the type of bacteria that produce methane don't live in the
>>> human digestive tract. Industrial anaerobic digesters can also harness this
>>> natural process to treat waste, provide heat, and increase nutrients in
>>> soil. They are most commonly used for sewage treatment and for managing
>>> animal waste.
>>> *BENEFITS:* The goal of SMUD is to obtain 20 percent of its electricity
>>> from renewable sources such as wind, solar, and biodegradable matter by
>>> 2011. Currently SMUD derives 10 percent of its electricity from renewable
>>> sources, of which biomass accounts for 2.5 percent. The UC-Davis digester
>>> would keep food and other biodegradable waste out of landfills; food
>>> leftovers account for 18 percent of a landfill's contents. One tone of
>>> leftover food can produce enough fuel to power 18 homes for one day.
>>> *WHAT ARE EXTREMOPHILES?* An extremophile is any microbe that thrives in
>>> extreme conditions, such as temperature (extreme heat or cold), pressure,
>>> salinity, low oxygen environments, or high concentrations of hostile
>>> chemicals. Most extremophiles belong to a class known as archaeobacteria,
>>> but certain species of worm, crustacean and krill can also be considered
>>> extremophiles.
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>>> *
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Dr. A.D. Karve
President, Appropriate Rural Technology Institute (ARTI)

*Please change my email address in your records to: adkarve at gmail.com *
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