[Digestion] Environmentalists Anti-AD Issues

[Edgar Blanco-Madrigal]

Not surprising that an interest group from America subtly tries to create a concern to serve its own purpose, rather than to address a serious issue. This is well in keep with the folks that ban the teaching of Darwinian principles, "pro-life" taliban campainers and the like. How can you call serious a comment that only references its own propaganda to back its arguments?! 
I remember years ago water companies in the UK spent thousands of pounds and years of research on the increased explosion potential from iron dosage to sludge. Only because an idiot raised it as a potential concern for sludge drying. Obviously the "idiot" had no evidence, only a "hunch", but he was willing to do the research. Of course, a couple of regulators present at the time, jumped on the topic to pretend they were doing something..........and that's how many of us ended up wasting two years of futile research. Good comes out of continuous enquiry, but when this is driven by interest, or misinformation it is a sickening waste of time! Even if there was high CN in the effluent (see the question mark) you need to look at what are the processes taking place in the soil, concentration, etc; considering this material will have to be diluted with others in order to be able to effectively digest.... 





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----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Bolgiano <steven at planetfound.com>
To: digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org
Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Digestion]  Environmentalists Anti-AD Issues

Alan,
Thanks so much! I will take every bit of mentoring this terrific group 
is willing to provide.
Yes our website is still stuck in it's "concept design", as I have been 
busy absorbing all the science education I can.
I am a design engineer, who with others (even less informed than me!) in 
my community have decided to take the lead and actually do something 
other than political posing.

I've already researched some local poultry producer's feed since 
writing, and so far none have arsenic. So I'm hoping the arsenic comment 
was more hysteria.

Our goal is to build our 6,000 gallon poultry prototype and produce 
results before confronting  various parties who will ultimately involve 
themselves one way or another. ... So that we have an active example to 
go with the types of information you so correctly suggest. Unfortunately 
too much advance promotion of our project could hurt it.

We have the challenge of  a real mix of serious issues like arsenic in 
feed, phosphate runoffs into bays and streams, with misinformation that 
could oppose the AD solution.
We need to be aware of what possible green rhetoric is coming our way 
that would oppose AD.

We do have supporters. Tomorrow our university's research team is coming 
with laboratory created innoculum for our 350 gallon "mini-prototype", 
and to observe our very successful solar heated tank system. So we will 
be loading chicken poop finally!

Thanks so much group. I really want to stick with utilizing this list to 
learn my science. But thanks for the responses to these other issues.

Steven

-- 
Steven Bolgiano
Executive Director
Planet Foundation Ltd.
443.235.1344



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Subject: Re: [Digestion] Environmentalists Anti-AD Issues


Steve:

I see somebody already sent my recent post on arsenic in poultry feed to
this list.  I looked at your website but there's nothing of substance there.
My suggestion is to post enough information about the process you are
promoting that people could begin to make an informed judgement about it.
Lay off the "green" rhetoric and all that.....and produce detailed,
speciated material balances.

Alan Muller

At 09:11 AM 6/15/2011 -0400, Steven Bolgiano wrote:
>/Hi Group,
/>/I overheard one of our more local strident activists, when asked about
/>/AD for poultry comment that the by-product compost from poultry
/>/digesters contained significant amounts of arsenic.
/>/
/>/Can anyone comment on this or other known or potential anti-AD
/>/Environmentalist issues. Here on the "Delmarva" peninsula
/>/over-application of raw chicken manure onto the farm fields, and the
/>/subsequent runoff into our abundance of estuaries and bays is a big
/>/issue. Our goal of introducing absolute containment with solar heated
/>/bladder/ batch systems and a more environmentally acceptable compost
/>/byproduct .... is supposed to attract a positive response from
/>/activists.
/>/
/>/Comments, Information, Suggestions?
/>/
/>/Thanks!
/>/Steven
/>/
/>/--
/>/Steven Bolgiano
/>/Executive Director
/>/Planet Foundation Ltd.
/>/443.235.1344
/


-- 
Steven Bolgiano
Executive Director
Planet Foundation Ltd.
443.235.1344