[Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real live imbert gasifier here

Li CHEN chen at sol3d.com
Tue Nov 2 05:11:29 CDT 2010


great discussion you have made about the history of Imbert gasifier....

All these motivate me a lot to visiter the museum in Munich by myself.....

Thanks for sharing these with us.

Li


Le 31/10/2010 20:11, jim mason a écrit :
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> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, thomas reed <tombreed2009 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:tombreed2009 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Jim:
>
>     Sounds like a very instructive visit.  We saw one in less detail
>     in a Danish museum.  Pics are great...
>
>
> tom, i thought i remembered reading in one of your books that you had 
> a real imbert early at nrel.  somehow i seem to remember some story of 
> you running wood pellets in it.  am i remembering this correctly?
>
> it would be highly interesting to actually get one of these to run 
> with full instrumentation.  while i can wave hands about what i saw 
> and how it likely ran in relation to what we know now, a proper run 
> with the equivalent datalogging we use on ours would be highly 
> informing.  unlikely we'd ever get the dm unit to do this.  maybe we 
> can find/borrow one from elsewhere.
>
> tom, there will be many more pictures of the insides.  the interesting 
> parts are all the insides of the reactor, and how elaborate the 
> filtering system was.
>
> j
>
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>     TOM REED
>
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>     On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Ronald Hongsermeier
>     <rwhongser at web.de <mailto:rwhongser at web.de>> wrote:
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>         jim,
>         forgot to say: P.S. cf GEK forum post
>
>         ron
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>             *Von:* "jim mason" <jim at allpowerlabs.org
>             <mailto:jim at allpowerlabs.org>>
>             *Gesendet:* 31.10.2010 18:05:26
>             *An:* "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification"
>             <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
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>             *Betreff:* Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich-
>             there's a real live imbert gasifier here
>
>
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>             On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen
>             <arnt at c2i.net <mailto:arnt at c2i.net>> wrote:
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>                 On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in message
>                 <AANLkTin=r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8 at mail.gmail.com
>                 <mailto:r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8 at mail.gmail.com>>:
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>                 > i'm still in munich and still enjoying the deutsches
>                 museum.
>                 >
>                 > http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages <http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages>
>                 >
>                 > also, there turned out to be another vehicle with an
>                 imbert gasifier
>
>                 ..what year are these 2 gasifiers, or rather,
>                 when where they last serviced or modified?
>
>
>             both i now realize have been rebuilt, or rather, cleaned
>             up and rerun in more contemporary times.  the specifics of
>             this i have yet to figure out.  with a little more work we
>             likely can.  the history of the exhibits in the dm is very
>             well kept.  another interesting thing that surfaced is
>             that the dm has a very large archive where they collect
>             and keep machinery manuals, brochures and general
>             consumable literature on these type of devices.  it is
>             very likely there is some interesting things to discover
>             there too.
>
>             either way, as for these machines, they've had some
>             attention and been run in more recent times.  the fuel in
>             the adler one is more recently cut dimensioned lumber, not
>             the wwII fuel.  i took some samples from the char at
>             various levels if we want to explore it.
>
>             the filters on the adler have been cleaned and repainted
>             and never run after.  the yellow thing in the picture with
>             me is a baffle plate array from the horizontal ash tube on
>             the side of the reactor.  the baffle array was brand new.
>             the tube and all plumbing was original.  the water filter
>             and packed bed in the front were cleaned out, but still
>             original.  the reactor itself is unrestored, like the rest
>             of the adler.  all the vessels show some rust and age, but
>             are still well intact.  they seem to be either 16 or 18awg
>             mild steel.  the hearth is cast, about 1/4 - 3/8" thick.
>
>             the ford truck has had a full off frame restoration.  they
>             appear to  have done the gasifier at the same time.  then
>             ran it again, as the bottom of the reactor has all the
>             paint burned off, just like ours!  the water filter was
>             very messy inside.  i didn't see in the rest as i didn't
>             have permission for that one.
>
>             the dm runs lots of their equipment.  they do demos for
>             visitors, and appear to take some out for special
>             ocassions.  it is far from a hands on museum, but they do
>             run and move around the equipment it appears.  there are
>             pictures of various machines in parades and such.  the dm
>             is a major national project, and they enjoy showing some
>             of the accomplishments.  there are a good deal of steam
>             engines set up to run on compressed air within the
>             museum.  several of the very large ones, like the watt
>             engine, are run on compressed air.  the whole room smells
>             of machine oil.  some of the ic engines simiarly have
>             exhaust pipes ported to vents so they can be run.
>
>             somehow in this, both of the gasifiers were run recently. 
>             not a ton, but a bit, and certainly more recently than wwII.
>
>             j
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>                 > > > and a hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to
>                 rediscover. i saw
>                 > > > lots of expedience, simplicity, and band aids.
>                 > >
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