[Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real live imbert gasifier here
Li CHEN
chen at sol3d.com
Tue Nov 2 05:11:29 CDT 2010
great discussion you have made about the history of Imbert gasifier....
All these motivate me a lot to visiter the museum in Munich by myself.....
Thanks for sharing these with us.
Li
Le 31/10/2010 20:11, jim mason a écrit :
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> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, thomas reed <tombreed2009 at gmail.com
> <mailto:tombreed2009 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Jim:
>
> Sounds like a very instructive visit. We saw one in less detail
> in a Danish museum. Pics are great...
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>
> tom, i thought i remembered reading in one of your books that you had
> a real imbert early at nrel. somehow i seem to remember some story of
> you running wood pellets in it. am i remembering this correctly?
>
> it would be highly interesting to actually get one of these to run
> with full instrumentation. while i can wave hands about what i saw
> and how it likely ran in relation to what we know now, a proper run
> with the equivalent datalogging we use on ours would be highly
> informing. unlikely we'd ever get the dm unit to do this. maybe we
> can find/borrow one from elsewhere.
>
> tom, there will be many more pictures of the insides. the interesting
> parts are all the insides of the reactor, and how elaborate the
> filtering system was.
>
> j
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> TOM REED
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> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Ronald Hongsermeier
> <rwhongser at web.de <mailto:rwhongser at web.de>> wrote:
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> jim,
> forgot to say: P.S. cf GEK forum post
>
> ron
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> *Betreff:* Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich-
> there's a real live imbert gasifier here
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> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen
> <arnt at c2i.net <mailto:arnt at c2i.net>> wrote:
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> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in message
> <AANLkTin=r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8 at mail.gmail.com
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> > i'm still in munich and still enjoying the deutsches
> museum.
> >
> > http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages <http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages>
> >
> > also, there turned out to be another vehicle with an
> imbert gasifier
>
> ..what year are these 2 gasifiers, or rather,
> when where they last serviced or modified?
>
>
> both i now realize have been rebuilt, or rather, cleaned
> up and rerun in more contemporary times. the specifics of
> this i have yet to figure out. with a little more work we
> likely can. the history of the exhibits in the dm is very
> well kept. another interesting thing that surfaced is
> that the dm has a very large archive where they collect
> and keep machinery manuals, brochures and general
> consumable literature on these type of devices. it is
> very likely there is some interesting things to discover
> there too.
>
> either way, as for these machines, they've had some
> attention and been run in more recent times. the fuel in
> the adler one is more recently cut dimensioned lumber, not
> the wwII fuel. i took some samples from the char at
> various levels if we want to explore it.
>
> the filters on the adler have been cleaned and repainted
> and never run after. the yellow thing in the picture with
> me is a baffle plate array from the horizontal ash tube on
> the side of the reactor. the baffle array was brand new.
> the tube and all plumbing was original. the water filter
> and packed bed in the front were cleaned out, but still
> original. the reactor itself is unrestored, like the rest
> of the adler. all the vessels show some rust and age, but
> are still well intact. they seem to be either 16 or 18awg
> mild steel. the hearth is cast, about 1/4 - 3/8" thick.
>
> the ford truck has had a full off frame restoration. they
> appear to have done the gasifier at the same time. then
> ran it again, as the bottom of the reactor has all the
> paint burned off, just like ours! the water filter was
> very messy inside. i didn't see in the rest as i didn't
> have permission for that one.
>
> the dm runs lots of their equipment. they do demos for
> visitors, and appear to take some out for special
> ocassions. it is far from a hands on museum, but they do
> run and move around the equipment it appears. there are
> pictures of various machines in parades and such. the dm
> is a major national project, and they enjoy showing some
> of the accomplishments. there are a good deal of steam
> engines set up to run on compressed air within the
> museum. several of the very large ones, like the watt
> engine, are run on compressed air. the whole room smells
> of machine oil. some of the ic engines simiarly have
> exhaust pipes ported to vents so they can be run.
>
> somehow in this, both of the gasifiers were run recently.
> not a ton, but a bit, and certainly more recently than wwII.
>
> j
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> > > > and a hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to
> rediscover. i saw
> > > > lots of expedience, simplicity, and band aids.
> > >
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