[Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8
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Tue Jan 17 20:10:41 CST 2012
go to the woodgas forum, we are always discussing how to clean syngas and
filtering and cooling it as well. If you check the files ther is more than
ample info to help.
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> 1. anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine. (Craig Kernan)
> 2. Re: anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine. (phillip manske)
> 3. Re: anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine. (Anand Karve)
> 4. Re: anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine. (phillip manske)
> 5. Re: anaerobic digester gas for IC engine. (Mark Ludlow)
> 6. Re: anaerobic digester gas for IC engine. (OT) (Greg Manning)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:23:18 -0800
> From: Craig Kernan <craig at postcollapse.org>
> To: Gasification at bioenergylists.org
> Subject: [Gasification] anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine.
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> Hello,
>
> Can anyone point me to good technical material addressing the use of gas
> from an anaerobic digester in internal combustion engines.
>
> A Gas cleanup for use in IC engines.
>
> B. Carburetor design issues.
>
> Interest is primarily for stationary use of small generator and
> automotive engines. (with displacements in the rage of 200cc to 5000cc).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:30:03 -0600
> From: phillip manske <pdmanske at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine.
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> Hi Craig,
>
> Thats a wide open field. Youll get lots of advice to choose from.
> Thats my advice given without actually discussing technology. Im a
> fan of farmer level technologies, that is things that work without a
> lot of engineering.
>
> The stuff you want is methane, not the CO2. Do stuff in your shop
> first before calling the pros. There is a method to get rid of the
> CO2 by using lime water or just water, if you choose that remember
> that gas always goes up in liquid and you can force a path that goes
> up so slowly you can{t see it by eye. The gas will be good and
> polished by the time it gests to the top after it goes through a few
> hundred feet of garden hose. The sulpher gas gas goes away with steel
> wool. The wool will be bad at the entry to the chamber and then clean
> at the exit.
>
> There is plenty on the net about this, I never felt at a loss.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Phillip
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Craig Kernan <craig at postcollapse.org>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can anyone point me to good technical material addressing the use of gas
> > from an anaerobic digester ?in internal combustion engines.
> >
> > A ?Gas cleanup for use in IC engines.
> >
> > B. Carburetor design issues.
> >
> > Interest is primarily for stationary use of small generator and
> automotive
> > ?engines. ?(with displacements in the rage of 200cc to 5000cc).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:49:36 +0800
> From: Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Gasification] anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine.
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> Dear Craig,
> there is no need to clean the biogas. Just as the oxygen entering the
> engine is accompanied by a lot of nitrogen, as well as some moisture, the
> methane is accompanied by carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulphide, ammonia and
> moisture. We have been using the biogas in i.c. engines without cleaning
> it. Our engines have not been damaged in any way by using the unclean
> biogas.
> Yours
> A.D.Karve
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Craig Kernan <craig at postcollapse.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can anyone point me to good technical material addressing the use of gas
> > from an anaerobic digester in internal combustion engines.
> >
> > A Gas cleanup for use in IC engines.
> >
> > B. Carburetor design issues.
> >
> > Interest is primarily for stationary use of small generator and
> automotive
> > engines. (with displacements in the rage of 200cc to 5000cc).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:41:00 -0600
> From: phillip manske <pdmanske at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Gasification] anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine.
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> Hi AD,
>
> I'm always suspect of the claim that engines can run well on biogas.
> If that were the case we could cut methane to 99.99% with CO2 and that
> would solve the worlds energy needs just with CO2. I'm sorry, I'm
> suspect. IC engines run on fuel, not filler. Moisture is a classic
> no no. If you sell that kind of fuel you'd get arrested and sued.
>
> Phillip
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Craig,e of fuie
> > there is no need to clean the biogas. Just as the?oxygen entering the
> engine
> > is accompanied by a lot of nitrogen, as well as some moisture, the
> methane
> > is accompanied by carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulphide, ammonia and
> moisture.
> > We have been using the biogas in i.c. engines without cleaning it. Our
> > engines have not been damaged in any way by using the unclean biogas.
> > Yours
> > A.D.Karve
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Craig Kernan <craig at postcollapse.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Can anyone point me to good technical material addressing the use of gas
> >> from an anaerobic digester ?in internal combustion engines.
> >>
> >> A ?Gas cleanup for use in IC engines.
> >>
> >> B. Carburetor design issues.
> >>
> >> Interest is primarily for stationary use of small generator and
> automotive
> >> ?engines. ?(with displacements in the rage of 200cc to 5000cc).
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:57:53 -0800
> From: "Mark Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com>
> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"
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> Subject: Re: [Gasification] anaerobic digester gas for IC engine.
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> As I understand the scrubbing and CO2 removal process it is deceptively
> simple. But it seems like it is better suited to an anaerobic digester than
> a gasifier. N2 is the major diluent in an air-fed gasifier output (assuming
> a shift of most of the CO2 to CO).
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
> phillip
> manske
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:41 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine.
>
>
>
> Hi AD,
>
>
>
> I'm always suspect of the claim that engines can run well on biogas.
>
> If that were the case we could cut methane to 99.99% with CO2 and that
> would
> solve the worlds energy needs just with CO2. I'm sorry, I'm suspect. IC
> engines run on fuel, not filler. Moisture is a classic no no. If you sell
> that kind of fuel you'd get arrested and sued.
>
>
>
> Phillip
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Anand Karve < <mailto:adkarve at gmail.com>
> adkarve at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Craig,e of fuie
>
> > there is no need to clean the biogas. Just as the oxygen entering the
>
> > engine is accompanied by a lot of nitrogen, as well as some moisture,
>
> > the methane is accompanied by carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulphide, ammonia
> and moisture.
>
> > We have been using the biogas in i.c. engines without cleaning it. Our
>
> > engines have not been damaged in any way by using the unclean biogas.
>
> > Yours
>
> > A.D.Karve
>
> >
>
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Craig Kernan <
> <mailto:craig at postcollapse.org> craig at postcollapse.org>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Hello,
>
> >>
>
> >> Can anyone point me to good technical material addressing the use of
>
> >> gas from an anaerobic digester in internal combustion engines.
>
> >>
>
> >> A Gas cleanup for use in IC engines.
>
> >>
>
> >> B. Carburetor design issues.
>
> >>
>
> >> Interest is primarily for stationary use of small generator and
>
> >> automotive
>
> >> engines. (with displacements in the rage of 200cc to 5000cc).
>
> >>
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >>
>
> >> Craig
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
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> From: Greg Manning <a31ford at gmail.com>
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> Hi Mark,
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> I aggree, this is somewhat of a cross-post, they should have put "OT"
> (off topic, for those that are not computer savy) at the begining of
> the post, as these two worlds (Anarobic and Gasifiers) produce
> extremely different gas structures.
>
> Greg Manning
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Mark Ludlow <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:
> > As I understand the scrubbing and CO2 removal process it is deceptively
> > simple. But it seems like it is better suited to an anaerobic digester
> than
> > a gasifier. N2 is the major diluent in an air-fed gasifier output
> (assuming
> > a shift of most of the CO2 to CO).
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
> phillip
> > manske
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:41 PM
> > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> > Subject: Re: [Gasification] anaerobicc digester gas for IC engine.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi AD,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm always suspect of the claim that engines can run well on biogas.
> >
> > If that were the case we could cut methane to 99.99% with CO2 and that
> would
> > solve the worlds energy needs just with CO2.? I'm sorry, I'm suspect.? IC
> > engines run on fuel, not filler.? Moisture is a classic no no.? If you
> sell
> > that kind of fuel you'd get arrested and sued.
> >
> >
> >
> > Phillip
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Craig,e of fuie
> >
> >> there is no need to clean the biogas. Just as the?oxygen entering the
> >
> >> engine is accompanied by a lot of nitrogen, as well as some moisture,
> >
> >> the methane is accompanied by carbon dioxide, hydrogen sulphide, ammonia
> >> and moisture.
> >
> >> We have been using the biogas in i.c. engines without cleaning it. Our
> >
> >> engines have not been damaged in any way by using the unclean biogas.
> >
> >> Yours
> >
> >> A.D.Karve
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Craig Kernan <craig at postcollapse.org>
> >
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Hello,
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Can anyone point me to good technical material addressing the use of
> >
> >>> gas from an anaerobic digester ?in internal combustion engines.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> A ?Gas cleanup for use in IC engines.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> B. Carburetor design issues.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Interest is primarily for stationary use of small generator and
> >
> >>> automotive
> >
> >>> ?engines. ?(with displacements in the rage of 200cc to 5000cc).
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Thanks,
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Craig
> >
> >>>
> >
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> >
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