[Gasification] Save the Date: Biochar 2016

Sat Oct 24 15:18:38 CDT 2015

Tom,

Thanks for the info about humic acids, etc.   I will be dependent on you 
and others to see that further research and confirmations, etc take place.

About biochar, you have different perceptions than I have.   For one, I 
never refer to it as "activated".
You wrote:
> It is not soluble in water, acids or bases and cannot be used by soil 
> microbes to form cells. 
I TOTALLY AGREE, and I consider those to be major FAVORABLE 
characteristics.  Cell of soil microbes (and plants) contain carbon that 
comes primarily from CO2 in the atmosphere, not from carbon in the soil.

I am currently on a work trip in Africawithout much time for full 
responses (but I do read the messages).  I will let others make further 
comments if this discussion continues.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 10/24/2015 4:19 AM, linvent at aol.com wrote:
> Bio char is charcoal, when treated with steam and chemicals, can 
> become activated charcoal with higher porosity, surface area and 
> subsequent reactivity for adsorbing materials. However, it's cation 
> exchange capacity, the ability to transfer cations in the soil is 
> limited to perhaps 30-40 milliequivalents/100 grams. It is not soluble 
> in water, acids or bases and cannot be used by soil microbes to form 
> cells. There is no set of standard shown benefits to the soil over a 
> longer term application regime showing either continuing increase in 
> production, reduction in water use or other benefit. In my opinion, it 
> is not a "sustainable" compound because it will not continue to show 
> _*economic*_ benefits when applied over an extended period.
> One other aspect is that it's production has a by-product, 
> pyrolygenious liquors that are basically the condensed volatiles and 
> water from heating it. There isn't much value to the components of 
> this complex mix, and disposing of it is difficult. Producers like 
> Kingsford Charcoal and Calgon activated charcoal companies have their 
> capital in these types of systems to avoid EPA penalties. They are not 
> cheap.
> The naturally occurring compounds humic acids are much more effective 
> and infinitely more complex than bio-char and much more studied. 
> Kononova of Russia published volumes on these compounds, Environmental 
> Science and Technology has also published a myriad of articles on 
> them, and they are still a mystery, but what is known is that they are 
> very soil active and have a cation exchange capacity of from 800-1200 
> milliequivalents/100 grams, and also are water, acid and base soluble, 
> different fractions having different solubility's. They can be used to 
> support microbial growth or suppress it at different concentrations, 
> as an example above 40 PPM C, they suppress algae growth, below it, 
> they enhance it and very significantly. Most contain naturally 
> occurring very powerful, immortal microbes that can eat polyethylene, 
> metals, tires and other rather stable compounds, I know because in my 
> production company where we mined and bagged the humic acid material, 
> our polyethylene bags would last 60-120 days before being eaten up 
> between the bags inside a cool warehouse without sunlight.
> Humic acids are also limited in their economic sustainability as 
> repeated application will cause the soil to become depleted of 
> essential nutrients for plant growth and stop performing. Having a 
> sharper pick or shovel doesn't make the mine last longer, just get the 
> minerals out faster. Over the decades we have developed a soil and 
> plant nutritional program which unexcelled, being able to take the 
> worse or best plant growing situation and make it much better with 
> very little input. We have found that the standard fertilizers damage 
> soils and if supplemented with or without humic acids but with the 
> right minerals and forms, become spectacularly productive.
> We have been forced out of business by the overzealous 
> environmentalists who don't care what their final effect is, but being 
> a mining operation, were determined to get us to comply with two 
> agencies who violated federal court orders, and prohibitively 
> expensive compliance requirements. With this, we have created 
> compounds that work as well and better than humic acid based 
> materials. The website www.agronicsinc.com goes into some of the 
> benefits, and there are many more including serious remediation of 
> really nasty situations including mercury contaminated soils around 
> natural gas wells. By the way, natural gas contains methyl mercury 
> which is the most toxic forms and one of the most on earth, there is 
> no way to get it out of the human body.
> To anyone who is interested, there are also technical articles 
> available I can send.
> Sincerely,
> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
> Thermogenics Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> To: gasification <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 1:48 am
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Save the Date: Biochar 2016
>
> Tom,
>
> Could BOTH efforts be useful, and maybe with the results together 
> being even better than each one separately?
>
> Please help me understand the positive aspects of your message, that 
> is "soil changing organix compounds" and how they might relate to biochar.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD   Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>     Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072 Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
> On 10/23/2015 9:00 PM, linvent at aol.com <mailto:linvent at aol.com> wrote:
>> What a monumental waste. If only these folks would understand how 
>> limited their pursuit is and how basically ineffective biochar is in 
>> relation to real soil changing organic compounds.
>> Sincerely,
>> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
>> Agronics Inc.
>>
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