[Gasification] Save the Date: Biochar 2016

Sat Oct 24 19:13:44 CDT 2015

Hi Tom,

Please send me more articles, or links to them. I am very interested...

Cheers,

Terrey

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Thanks for the info about humic acids, etc.   I will be dependent on you
> and others to see that further research and confirmations, etc take place.
>
> About biochar, you have different perceptions than I have.   For one, I
> never refer to it as "activated".
> You wrote:
>
> It is not soluble in water, acids or bases and cannot be used by soil
> microbes to form cells.
>
> I TOTALLY AGREE, and I consider those to be major FAVORABLE
> characteristics.  Cell of soil microbes (and plants) contain carbon that
> comes primarily from CO2 in the atmosphere, not from carbon in the soil.
>
> I am currently on a work trip in Africa without much time for full
> responses (but I do read the messages).  I will let others make further
> comments if this discussion continues.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
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>
> On 10/24/2015 4:19 AM, linvent at aol.com wrote:
>
> Bio char is charcoal, when treated with steam and chemicals, can become
> activated charcoal with higher porosity, surface area and subsequent
> reactivity for adsorbing materials. However, it's cation exchange capacity,
> the ability to transfer cations in the soil is limited to perhaps 30-40
> milliequivalents/100 grams. It is not soluble in water, acids or bases and
> cannot be used by soil microbes to form cells. There is no set of standard
> shown benefits to the soil over a longer term application regime showing
> either continuing increase in production, reduction in water use or other
> benefit. In my opinion, it is not a "sustainable" compound because it will
> not continue to show *economic* benefits when applied over an extended
> period.
> One other aspect is that it's production has a by-product, pyrolygenious
> liquors that are basically the condensed volatiles and water from heating
> it. There isn't much value to the components of this complex mix, and
> disposing of it is difficult. Producers like Kingsford Charcoal and Calgon
> activated charcoal companies have their capital in these types of systems
> to avoid EPA penalties. They are not cheap.
> The naturally occurring compounds humic acids are much more effective and
> infinitely more complex than bio-char and much more studied. Kononova of
> Russia published volumes on these compounds, Environmental Science and
> Technology has also published a myriad of articles on them, and they are
> still a mystery, but what is known is that they are very soil active and
> have a cation exchange capacity of from 800-1200 milliequivalents/100
> grams, and also are water, acid and base soluble, different fractions
> having different solubility's. They can be used to support microbial growth
> or suppress it at different concentrations, as an example above 40 PPM C,
> they suppress algae growth, below it, they enhance it and very
> significantly. Most contain naturally occurring very powerful, immortal
> microbes that can eat polyethylene, metals, tires and other rather stable
> compounds, I know because in my production company where we mined and
> bagged the humic acid material, our polyethylene bags would last 60-120
> days before being eaten up between the bags inside a cool warehouse without
> sunlight.
> Humic acids are also limited in their economic sustainability as repeated
> application will cause the soil to become depleted of essential nutrients
> for plant growth and stop performing. Having a sharper pick or shovel
> doesn't make the mine last longer, just get the minerals out faster. Over
> the decades we have developed a soil and plant nutritional program which
> unexcelled, being able to take the worse or best plant growing situation
> and make it much better with very little input. We have found that the
> standard fertilizers damage soils and if supplemented with or without humic
> acids but with the right minerals and forms, become spectacularly
> productive.
> We have been forced out of business by the overzealous environmentalists
> who don't care what their final effect is, but being a mining operation,
> were determined to get us to comply with two agencies who violated federal
> court orders, and prohibitively expensive compliance requirements. With
> this, we have created compounds that work as well and better than humic
> acid based materials. The website www.agronicsinc.com goes into some of
> the benefits, and there are many more including serious remediation of
> really nasty situations including mercury contaminated soils around natural
> gas wells. By the way, natural gas contains methyl mercury which is the
> most toxic forms and one of the most on earth, there is no way to get it
> out of the human body.
> To anyone who is interested, there are also technical articles available I
> can send.
> Sincerely,
> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
> Thermogenics Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> To: gasification <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 1:48 am
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Save the Date: Biochar 2016
>
> Tom,
>
> Could BOTH efforts be useful, and maybe with the results together being
> even better than each one separately?
>
> Please help me understand the positive aspects of your message, that is
> "soil changing organix compounds" and how they might relate to biochar.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD   Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu    Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072 Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 10/23/2015 9:00 PM, <linvent at aol.com>linvent at aol.com wrote:
>
> What a monumental waste. If only these folks would understand how limited
> their pursuit is and how basically ineffective biochar is in relation to
> real soil changing organic compounds.
> Sincerely,
> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
> Agronics Inc.
>
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