[Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust

Leland "Tom" Taylor linvent at aol.com
Mon Mar 28 16:02:31 MDT 2016


Good thought, but best energy is exhaust heat
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Art Krenzel <PHOENIX98604 at msn.com> wrote:

>I have been following this discussion waiting for someone to chime in the obvious but so far....    In general terms, an engine utilizes only about 25-30% of the total energy as work.  The remainder of the energy (70-75%) is releases about equally between the exhaust and the engine cooling system.  So why not use the air from the engine cooling system and divert that cooling airflow into the dryer.  Now you do not have any of the dew point issues, sparks, etc such as when using exhaust gases for drying energy.  The engine cooling system would use ambient air from the room and blow it into dryer with virtually no potential to cause fires or overheating of any sort.  The engine usually has a fan already in place so no new parts would be required.  Or you could use both sources of heat energy to dry the wet feedstock.
>
>Just a thought......
>Art Krenzel
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>Dear Leland
>the dryer will be for corn and/or cotton stalk chips of up to 80mm in
>length.
>
>Best Regards
>Dimitris
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>Do you want to dry sewage, manure, pomace, DDG's or other biomass feedstock?
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>Sincerely,
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>Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
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>Thank you all for your replies and help.
>Andrew,Besides Dr Reed's handbook, Dr Mukunda from IISC India states the
>same in a paper of his.
>So I guess it is a rather safe assumption to say that you can dry wet
>biomass using the syngas genset's exhaust.
>If I find any experimental data, I will post them here.
>This is a very interesting topic for engineers (besides gasification
>itself).
>Best Regards to all
>Dimitris
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>Dear Dimitris,
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>In Dr Reed's and Agua Das' handbook; illustrates a wet gas recycle plant for
>drying green (wet) biomass. This is a direct-contact heat-exchanger; where
>the engine-exhaust goes through the bed of fuel-particles. A high
>temperature fan with a sealed shaft-gland forces convection of gasses from
>the colder outlet to mix with the inlet engine-exhaust gas.
>
>There is much potential energy in Otto cycle engine exhaust; about a third
>of the total chemical energy in the engine's fuel. To capture this energy
>and heat a cartridge full of freshly cut, green hack-wood is the best use
>for this normally wasted heat. The cartridge full of very hot wood is then
>lifted out of the chamber, and quickly emptied into the gasifier.
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>My own design makes an excess of dried wood, beginning at about the moisture
>of growing hardwood; In excess of gasifier/engine requirement at about 30 KW
>load to fuel 5.0 L eight cylinder Otto-cycle engine. Heavier engine loads
>are the only regime where the heat required is adequate. I measured about
>800 degrees Farenheight when the throttle-plate is operating more towards
>open continually
>
>Operator care must be excercised, because the wood will catch on fire, if
>allowed to cook beyond bone dry and golden brown. He watches the outlet
>temperature which should not exceed about 300 degrees Farenheight. Using
>wet-gas recycle, the whole batch-charge temperature rises at once, instead
>of burning only the wood at the inlet location, while wood particles at the
>outlet remains at the dew point as our friend Toby described. The wet-gas
>recycle fan is a very special machine, and is one of the kind.
>
>In order to fund more research; I am offering a used system. What are your
>requirement?
>
>Andrew Schofield
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>From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
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>Subject: [Gasification]  Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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>Hi Nicolo.
>Thank you (but I believe that giving me an offer is irrelevant to the
>purpose of this list, isn't it?)
>Now to the point:
>According to my calulations, if we consider that a saturated genset exhaust
>stream is @ 415 oC with absolute humidity of 800 gr/kgr (stream A, this is
>what I ask - if its humidity is correct) and we mix it 50%-50% with ambient
>air of 25 oC with 50% relative humidity(stream B), the resulting stream will
>be a mixture of about 220 oC with an absolute humidity ~400 gr/kgr(stream
>C).
>This mixture stream C has a drying potential, but I do not know if  the
>assumption on stream A is correct.
>Any ideas?
>Best Regards
>Dimitris
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>Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>thank you for your replies,
>but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
>physics point of view...
>Anybody?
>Best Regards
>Dimitris
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>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
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>> Hello all.
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or absolute
>> humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
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>> Hallo Dimitris,
>>
>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but the
>> latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even
>> ignite the biomass.
>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could
>> be taken out below.
>> Seems simple...
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> Rolf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
>>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
>>
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>hello
>we know we must offer our system
>is it ok?
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>2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <
>dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
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>> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>> thank you for your replies,
>> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
>> physics point of view...
>> Anybody?
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
>>
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>> > Hello all.
>> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>> >
>> > Best Regards
>> > Dimitris
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>> > Hallo Dimitris,
>> >
>> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even
>> ignite the biomass.
>> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
>> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
>> could be taken out below.
>> > Seems simple...
>> >
>> > best regards
>> >
>> > Rolf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello all.
>> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards
>> >> Dimitris
>> >
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>Saturated means the gas contains all the water that it can hold and when it
>is put in contact with your wood, will condense into liquid water and give
>up 970 btu per pound of water that condenses. ? ?
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>Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
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>but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
>physics point of view...
>Anybody?
>Best Regards
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>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
>> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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>> Hello all.
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or absolute
>> humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
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>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
>> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
>> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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>> Hallo Dimitris,
>>
>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but the
>> latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even
>> ignite the biomass.
>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could
>> be taken out below.
>> Seems simple...
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> Rolf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
>>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
>>
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>2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES
><dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
>
>Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>thank you for your replies,
>but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
>physics point of view...
>Anybody?
>Best Regards
>Dimitris
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>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
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>> Hello all.
>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or absolute
>> humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
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>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
>> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
>> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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>> Hallo Dimitris,
>>
>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but the
>> latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry wet
>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or even
>> ignite the biomass.
>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could
>> be taken out below.
>> Seems simple...
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> Rolf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
>>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
>>
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>2016-03-23 20:01 GMT+01:00 DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES <
>dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
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>> Hi Nicolo.
>> Thank you (but I believe that giving me an offer is irrelevant to the
>> purpose of this list, isn't it?)
>> Now to the point:
>> According to my calulations, if we consider that a saturated genset
>> exhaust stream is @ 415 oC with absolute humidity of 800 gr/kgr (stream A,
>> this is what I ask - if its humidity is correct) and we mix it 50%-50%
>> with
>> ambient air of 25 oC with 50% relative humidity(stream B), the resulting
>> stream will be a mixture of about 220 oC with an absolute humidity ~400
>> gr/kgr(stream C).
>> This mixture stream C has a drying potential, but I do not know if  the
>> assumption on stream A is correct.
>> Any ideas?
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:38:12 +0200
>> From: Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
>> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
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>> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>> thank you for your replies,
>> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
>> physics point of view...
>> Anybody?
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
>>
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>>>    3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
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>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
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>>> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
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>>> Hello all.
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven genset
>>> in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
>>> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
>>> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
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>>>
>>> Hallo Dimitris,
>>>
>>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
>>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry
>>> wet
>>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or
>>> even
>>> ignite the biomass.
>>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple setup:
>>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff could
>>> be taken out below.
>>> Seems simple...
>>>
>>> best regards
>>>
>>> Rolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Dimitris
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:48:27 +0100
>> From: Nicol? Cerni <cerni at altair-international.com>
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>> <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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>> hello
>> we know we must offer our system
>> is it ok?
>>
>>
>> 2016-03-23 18:38 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES <
>> dimitris at kokaras.gr>:
>>
>> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>>> thank you for your replies,
>>> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
>>> physics point of view...
>>> Anybody?
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
>>>
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>>> > Hello all.
>>> > Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> > I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> > What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>> >
>>> > Best Regards
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>>> > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
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>>> > To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
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>>> >
>>> > Hallo Dimitris,
>>> >
>>> > no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
>>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry
>>> wet
>>> biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize or
>>> even
>>> ignite the biomass.
>>> > I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
>>> > setup:
>>> > A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>>> > They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
>>> could be taken out below.
>>> > Seems simple...
>>> >
>>> > best regards
>>> >
>>> > Rolf
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>>> > "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hello all.
>>> >> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> >> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> >> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>> >>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 08:26:06 +0530
>From: shivanand at infiniteenergyindia.com
>To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
>        <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>Message-ID: <b9c7cde22eeeaa26da34573d2fb42dfd at infiniteenergyindia.com>
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>Hi Dimitris,
>
>Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only
>pure steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.
>
>Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the
>molar% of H2O in the exhaust.
>
>This is typically around 55 Deg C.
>
>Regards
>
>Shivanand
>
>
>
>On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:
>> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>> thank you for your replies,
>> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like from
>> physics point of view...
>> Anybody?
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
>>
>> On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, gasification-request at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> wrote:
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>>>    2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals
>>> C.B.)
>>>    3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
>>>    4. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Nicol? Cerni)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
>>> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
>>> Message-ID: <42F812A1CF574A238B33CED7CDEFE230 at DimitrisPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
>>> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
>>> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
>>> Message-ID: <20160321215908.f42e41dc1849bfeb92b91d8c at gmx.de>
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>>>
>>> Hallo Dimitris,
>>>
>>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust, but
>>> the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used to dry
>>> wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to pyrolize
>>> or even ignite the biomass.
>>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
>>> setup:
>>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
>>> could be taken out below.
>>> Seems simple...
>>>
>>> best regards
>>>
>>> Rolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Dimitris
>>>
>>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:33:53 -0700
>From: "Mark Elliott Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com>
>To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"
>    <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
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>...however, it's temperature quickly falls! Automotive exhaust systems rust
>away primarily because of condensation of moisture in the exhaust stream.
>
>Others have pointed-out that condensation is a very effective way to
>transfer thermal energy, which drives moisture from the interior of fuel
>particles. This is phenomenon is effectively used in very many counter-flow
>drying apparati.
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
>Behalf Of shivanand at infiniteenergyindia.com
>Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:56 PM
>To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
><gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
>Hi Dimitris,
>
>Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only pure
>steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.
>
>Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the
>molar% of H2O in the exhaust.
>
>This is typically around 55 Deg C.
>
>Regards
>
>Shivanand
>
>
>
>On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:
>> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>> thank you for your replies,
>> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like
>> from physics point of view...
>> Anybody?
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
>>
>> On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, gasification-request at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> wrote:
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>>>    2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals
>>> C.B.)
>>>    3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
>>>    4. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Nicol? Cerni)
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
>>> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
>>> Message-ID: <42F812A1CF574A238B33CED7CDEFE230 at DimitrisPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
>>> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
>>> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
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>>>
>>> Hallo Dimitris,
>>>
>>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust,
>>> but the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used
>>> to dry wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to
>>> pyrolize or even ignite the biomass.
>>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
>>> setup:
>>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
>>> could be taken out below.
>>> Seems simple...
>>>
>>> best regards
>>>
>>> Rolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Dimitris
>>>
>>
>> --
>> ??????,
>>
>> ???????? ???????
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>> ??????? & ??????????
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 07:52:05 -0700
>From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
>To: <mark at ludlow.com>, "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
>        gasification'"  <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>Message-ID: <005f01d185dc$bbeaed90$33c0c8b0$@trmiles.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
>
>Both direct and indirect methods are used. Sometimes heat from the engine
>exhaust is transferred to drying air, or directly to the fuel, using a heat
>exchanger. The temperature of the moisture laden exhaust exiting from the
>dried material must be above the dew point of the gas. By the time you
>dilute the engine exhaust to a temperature suitable for drying the fuel
>without cooking it - usually 50C-120C/120F-250 F - the dew point is pretty
>low so you need to dry in a thin layer, like on a belt, or blow the gas
>through the fuel with enough velocity, and with enough time, to let the
>condensation layer work up through the pile of fuel. In a thick bed or bin
>the moisture condenses in a layer in the fuel until it gets hot enough to
>evaporate.
>
>Tom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
>Behalf Of Mark Elliott Ludlow
>Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:34 PM
>To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
><gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
>...however, it's temperature quickly falls! Automotive exhaust systems rust
>away primarily because of condensation of moisture in the exhaust stream.
>
>Others have pointed-out that condensation is a very effective way to
>transfer thermal energy, which drives moisture from the interior of fuel
>particles. This is phenomenon is effectively used in very many counter-flow
>drying apparati.
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gasification [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
>Behalf Of shivanand at infiniteenergyindia.com
>Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:56 PM
>To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
><gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
>
>Hi Dimitris,
>
>Engine exhaust cannot be saturated because it is over 100 Deg C. Only pure
>steam can be considered saturated at 100 deg c and 1 atm.
>
>Engine exhaust will have a saturation temperature that is decided by the
>molar% of H2O in the exhaust.
>
>This is typically around 55 Deg C.
>
>Regards
>
>Shivanand
>
>
>
>On 2016-03-23 23:08, Dimitris Tzagkas - KOKARAS AND ASSOCIATES wrote:
>> Dear Rolf,Leland,Nicolo
>> thank you for your replies,
>> but still I got no clue what "saturated" genset exhaust looks like
>> from physics point of view...
>> Anybody?
>> Best Regards
>> Dimitris
>>
>> On 22/3/2016 8:00 ??, gasification-request at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> wrote:
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>>>    1. Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
>>>       (DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES)
>>>    2. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Energies Naturals
>>> C.B.)
>>>    3. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (linvent at aol.com)
>>>    4. Re: Drying using a syngas genset exhaust (Nicol? Cerni)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>>> From: "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr>
>>> To: <gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
>>> Message-ID: <42F812A1CF574A238B33CED7CDEFE230 at DimitrisPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Dimitris
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:59:08 +0100
>>> From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals at gmx.de>
>>> To: gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Drying using a syngas genset exhaust
>>> Message-ID: <20160321215908.f42e41dc1849bfeb92b91d8c at gmx.de>
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>>>
>>> Hallo Dimitris,
>>>
>>> no idea if syngas exhaust behaves differently from diesel exhaust,
>>> but the latter comes out at around 400 ?C and can be very well used
>>> to dry wet biomass. It should be mixed with ambient air so as not to
>>> pyrolize or even ignite the biomass.
>>> I once spoke to people from Central America who had a very simple
>>> setup:
>>> A sort of tower where the raw biomass is filled in at the top and the
>>> exhaust/air comes from below in counterflow.
>>> They said that the humidity was driven off to the top and dry stuff
>>> could be taken out below.
>>> Seems simple...
>>>
>>> best regards
>>>
>>> Rolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:50:01 +0200
>>> "DIMITRIS TZAGKAS-KOKARAS & ASSOCIATES" <dimitris at kokaras.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> Has anyone ever tried to use the genset exhaust of a syngas driven
>>>> genset in order to use it in a biomass dryer(rotary or something)?
>>>> I can read in the literature that the syngas engine?s exhaust is
>>>> saturated, but I cannot find experimental data anywhere.
>>>> What does ?saturated? mean in numbers of relative humidity (%) or
>>>> absolute humidity (gr/kgr)?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Dimitris
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