[Greenbuilding] Another Day. Another Challenge....Dishwashers this time!

[Ron Cascio]

Here, here to doing dishes by hand... properly.

Just about the only time our Asko (which has had some minor problems, but 
performs well when put to task) gets used is when we have company and/or 
more dishes that can fit in the drying rack. Having lived on a small sail 
boat in another life, I've learned how to wash dishes with minimum water and 
detergent, and feel I can out perform a DW in conserving resourses any 
day... even the very efficient ones.

Ron


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Dirksen" <dirksengreen at gmail.com>
To: "Green Building" <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Another Day. Another Challenge....Dishwashers 
this time!


>I wholeheartedly agree, Ruben.
>
> We have had a  "drawer style" dw for a couple of years and it has been 
> terrible. We only use it when we have lots of people over. Even then, I 
> have to rinse everything first & hope it actually cleans, then I always 
> pull it open to air dry because it takes much less time (and since it's 
> regular dry cycle never adequately dries.) Perhaps if we had a dw which 
> actually did its job well, I would feel different about it (I still regret 
> not getting the Bosch.)
>
> I really think those experiments out there which "proove" that dishwashers 
> are more efficient than handwashing are biased. Perhaps I may use a couple 
> more gallons of water here and there, but nothing compares to air drying 
> dishes on a rack. (not to mention the energy required to manufacture and 
> dispose of the thing.)
>
> I also never understood how dishwashers are Energy Star rated and driers 
> are not. As far as convienance appliances, we find the drier much more 
> necessary than the dishwasher. We used to line dry, but because of pollen 
> and deer ticks, we'd end up throwing our "line dried" clothing in the 
> drier afterward anyway. The kids slam thru a ton more clothes than they do 
> dishes. Once we gave them their "own" dishes (cups & bowels with names on 
> them) we have a lot less dish washing to do.
>
> Oh well, my apologies for the tangent.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> let's not forget the many life cycle benefits of washing dishes by hand:
>> less inputs of all kinds, no upfront cost, no repair bills, less energy 
>> and water (potential for conservation is entirely a function of the dish 
>> washer's technique), kitchen can be smaller because it doesn't need to 
>> accommodate the box, smaller house = less conditioned space, and on and 
>> on.
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