[Greenbuilding] drying clothes

Tue Aug 30 10:04:53 CDT 2011

And relatedly, dryers ARE pretty much essential in cities. Even in 
our low-rise apartment building, there's no place for outdoor 
drying.  (I've investigated the old fashioned pulley lines that went 
from building to building or building to post, and it'd be near 
impossible to set up on a one-person, let alone wide use, basis.) As 
to indoor drying, drying just the "hand-wash" (i.e. delicate wash 
stuff that doesn't take to dryers) takes up the bathroom and the dining area.

And if the building has a communal (shared service) laundry room, air 
drying is probably not going to be feasible there either.

David Bergman

At 10:51 AM 8/30/2011, Steven Tjiang wrote:
>It is all true that "dryers" are not essential but claiming moral 
>superiority or nonessentialness may work in this forum but it isn't 
>going to work for the general public. For that reason we do need 
>more energy efficient dryers like the European heat-pump 
>dryers.  But I don't see how that is going to happen until energy 
>prices goes up.
>
>---- Steve (KZ6LSD)
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>On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Racheli Gai 
><<mailto:racheli at sonoracohousing.com>racheli at sonoracohousing.com> wrote:
>Ben, I don't think what you said was completely stupid :)
>
>I think we need to differentiate between:  1- what everyone needs, 
>in which case saying: Since so many people don't have
>it, it's ok not to have it is wrong, and 2-  So many things we have 
>that we can easily do without.  eg: See all the people who manage
>just fine without dryers (and if they don't manage well, it's not 
>because they don't have dryers.) - so perhaps dryers are not
>essential for having a decent and meaningful life...
>
>Racheli.
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>On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
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>Ok--I admit--that was a really stupid thing to say.
>Ben
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>On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Kathy Cochran
><<mailto:kathys_old_house at goldrush.com>kathys_old_house at goldrush.com> wrote:
>This is a GREAT line!  It made me feel so good when I hung my sheets out on
>the clothes line this afternoon!
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>Kathy Cochran
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>San Andreas, California
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>From: 
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>[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of natural
>building
>Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:50 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] drying clothes
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>What a wonderful analogy: You don't have a clothes dryer therefore you must
>be poor!
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>Does the same apply if I don't have an electric toothbrush, or if the
>cat-flap isn't automated, or if I actually have to manually push buttons on
>my heating system thermostat?
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>Wow I never realised how 'poor' I am! :)
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>But funny how good it feels!
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>In jest...
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>Steve Satow
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><mailto:naturalbuilding at shaw.ca>naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
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>On 2011-08-29, at 5:09 PM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
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>"Most of the world doesn't use clothes dryers and somehow they manage."
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>Not a great argument. Much of the people in the world don't have
>toilets, are malnourished, don't use birth control, don't have access
>to an education or healthcare, etc ,etc, etc. Most of the people dn't
>manage--at least their lives could be a whole lot better if  there
>were any justice in the world....
>I know those things are a lot more important than wrinkles. I'm just
>trying to say that telling anyone that they should live as if they are
>poor is not realistic.  Or maybe it's what we need to save the
>planet--A huge worldwide depression leading to disease and a huge
>reduction of the population
>Ben
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>On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:34 PM, 
><mailto:candtcampbell at juno.com>candtcampbell at juno.com
><<mailto:candtcampbell at juno.com>candtcampbell at juno.com> wrote:
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>I have not experimented with different detergents. My clothes are almost
>
>exclusively cotton and the city water probably is medium hard. But if I were
>
>to put a pair of blue jeans out to dry on a rack, I would expect the jeans
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>to be so stiff when dry that they would almost stand by themselves.
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>Hm. You say you 'would expect' this. And I sense that your expectation would
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>be that this state of affairs would be unacceptable. I wonder if you tried
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>it (the drying on a rack, and putting the clothes on afterward) and report
>
>back. Most of the world doesn't use clothes dryers and somehow they manage.
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>I didn't say I couldn't manage. I'm trying to avoid potential problems
>before I consider investing in equipment.
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>And badly wrinkled too. Underwear, flannel shirts and T shirts would fare no
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>better.
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>I've washed all my laundry cold and dried it on the rack everywhere I've
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>lived. I've also never ironed anything except, very rarely, a shirt. I don't
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>go to weddings that often. I suppose I've been missing out all these years,
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>but honestly I'm not sure what the problem is that you've conjured in your
>
>mind.
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>As problems go, wrinkles are pretty insignificant. But if I can avoid them,
>I will, just to be socially acceptable.
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>that is not my experience with blue jeans and cotton shirts, and I've been
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>hanging clothes on the line for a long time.
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>
>
>Bob Waldrop, OKC
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>If you are hanging outdoors, I would think that the breeze blowing would
>deal well with the wrinkles. But I would also think that you risk soiling by
>birds and insects.
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>Nor mine.  Nothing is stiff, and most of the wrinkles hang out.  Most of the
>clothes are cotton.
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>Don't the clothespins themselves create pinch marks?
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>(If you hang the shirts and pants upside down, and use 2 pins at the bottom
>corners, there's often no need for an iron.)
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>Excellent tip, thanks.
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>
>Charles
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