[Greenbuilding] Colonization of other planets

Sat Feb 12 08:25:47 CST 2011

I would like us to show respect, even if we do not agree.  I can see why Gennaro might think the progression of technology when projected from the past could lead to the possibility of space travel and colonization of other planets.

However, much of the technological progress has been sponsored by the 
expansion of consumption of finite resources.  This trend will not continue.  If space trevel happens, it will be at the huge expense of our own lovely planet and its occupants.  

Another more down to Earth example of projecting continual growth is the proposed expansion of I-81 in the Western Virginia for 4 lanes to 8 lanes parallel with Blue Ridge.  Never mind that in these mountain valleys we are prone to temperature inversions that trap the pollution.  The proponents point to the graph of the growth in truck use as proof that it is needed.  However, we are near or at peak oil.  Availability of oil will soon be declining.  The resources to sponsor the continued growth are not there, even though this has been the historical trend.  

We are lobbying for the state and feds to invest in a sustainable transportation infrastructure of railroads to carry the trucks that could potentially be run on offshore wind generators or other renewable energy. 

http://www.steelinterstate.org/

As I recall Gennaro said he believed it was possible, not that it was a good idea.  And people were very dismissive and disrespectful to the idea that humans could travel to the moon.  That event was 40 years ago.  

History will characterize the 20th century as a time of expansion and depletion.  

Eli 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gennaro Brooks-Church" <info at ecobrooklyn.com>
To: "Green Building" <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Martha Stewart

> Ron,
> This conversation is moot since we are trying to predict the future.
> So it's anyone's opinion.
> I really don't care if the human race lives in space. But to say it
> isn't going to happen in my opinion puts you in the long line of
> people who said planes wouldn't fly, CD's wouldn't work, and
> telephones wouldn't last.
> You comment reminds me of when the steam engine was first used in a
> train. There were doctors who seriously worried that the human body
> would rattle apart at such high speeds. We just weren't built for
> those speeds.
>
> My main point here is that the human race and life in general is WAY
> to complex for us to simply dismiss a possibility as cooky. And the
> fact that we regularly go into space, that the human culture openly
> accepts space travel as normal, and that people are investing
> trillions into it makes me think it is going to happen. But go ahead,
> call us kooky. You won't be the first to call me that. My success in
> life is actually very much founded on doing what others think is kooky
> until the rest of the world realizes it's not that kooky after all. By
> that time I'm the ticket seller both financially and authoritatively.
> Since I'm driven by idealism it is always a nice feeling at the end of
> the day.
>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Ron Cascio <roncascio at verizon.net> wrote:
>> So you put living walls, green roofs, salvaging bricks, and moving humans
>> (who have evolved to the certain specs of this specific planet) 
>> permanently
>> to other planets in the same box?
>>
>> Pardon me Gennaro, but that's just kooky. ;-)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gennaro Brooks-Church"
>> <info at ecobrooklyn.com>
>> To: "Green Building" <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Martha Stewart
>>
>>
>> I've had living walls and space travel labeled a joke this week on
>> this list. I remember being told green roofs were a joke. I got called
>> an idiot just three years ago for salvaging bricks from a dumpster.
>> Laugh on.
>>
>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>
>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Racheli Gai
>> <racheli at sonoracohousing.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a joke, but a sinister one. It keeps many people's gaze on places 
>>> far
>>> away, rather than caring
>>> for the ground under their feet. It also means that lots of money is 
>>> spent
>>> chasing BS dreams, while
>>> we have homeless people; untold numbers with not enough to eat, etc. 
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Racheli.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Ron Cascio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any kind of escape to another planet is simply a joke. Nothing more.
>>>> Let's
>>>> move on to something accomplishable.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corwyn" <corwyn at midcoast.com>
>>>> To: "Green Building" <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Martha Stewart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2011 1:47 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corwyn my opinion is that we are not at the point where we can
>>>>>> calculate numbers or make any conclusion about whether we can or can
>>>>>> not colonize other planets. The technology is not there. But if the
>>>>>> last century is any indication we could be at a very different
>>>>>> technological point in another 100 years (whether we are space
>>>>>> travelling or living in caves is another question).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I never said anything about saving the people on earth. I 
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>> said the survival of the human race.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I just think that the idea of murdering 6 Billion people so 
>>>>> that
>>>>> a few elitist humans can escape their self-made Armageddon to go live 
>>>>> in
>>>>> a hell-hole of another planet, isn't worth hoping for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any technology insufficient to help this planet, won't allow anyone to
>>>>> live on another one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You Kindly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Corwyn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Topher Belknap
>>>>> Green Fret Consulting
>>>>> Kermit didn't know the half of it...
>>>>> http://www.greenfret.com/
>>>>> topher at greenfret.com
>>>>> (207) 882-7652
>>>>>
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