[Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads

[Richard Garbary]

D.I.V.I.O.R.C.E.
DHR.Is.Victorious.Overcoming.Ridiculous.Consumer.Excesses.
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On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:43 PM, JOHN SALMEN <terrain at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I was trying to figure out the acronym for D.I.V.O.R.C.E.
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> Do It Valiantly Over Reluctant Client Excesses?
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> Do It Victimlessly Over Recalcitrant Couples Excuses?
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> Must be some better ones out there.
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> I’ve often wondered (after having to design numerous bathrooms that seemed
> bigger than my house) what people are after in terms of bathing experiences.
> My first multihead (12 – 6 per side) shower experience was in a 1920’s
> bathroom in an upper east side building in manhattan – it wasn’t that
> pleasant.  Considering it was a large building that is quite a water drain
> over 90 years to date. My best shower was actually a cold water outdoor
> shower in yugoslavia (didn’t have the coins for the immersion). My best bath
> was a in a public bath house in sibiu.  My worst bath was in an old cold
> farmhouse in England (where I didn’t have enough coins for the electric
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> *From:* greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:
> greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Garbary
> *Sent:* May-15-11 3:37 PM
> *To:* Carmine Vasile
> *Cc:* GB Forum
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> *Subject:* Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
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> Carmine:
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> The only solution: D.I.V.O.R.C.E.!
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> Tough client.
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> Regards,
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> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Carmine Vasile <gfx-ch at msn.com> wrote:
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> Richard:  Your solution will not satisfy his wife because she made him
> buy a multi-head shower withsix 6 2.5 gpm showerheads. I received another
> inquiry from a homeowner with two back-to-back units that would draw 30 gpm.
> His plumber suggested a commercial boiler costing lots of money. Carmine
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> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:24:15 -0400
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> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
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> From: richard6 at gmail.com
> To: gfx-ch at msn.com
> CC: greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org; steve at tjiang.org;
> 9watts at gmail.com; erin at trmiles.com; sacie.lambertson at gmail.com
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> = Keep the 40 gallon water heater. Cost: FREE
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> = Put in a 2.5 gal/ 9 liter shower head with flow control/shutoff. Cost:
> ~$10 - $50. This will save him 6x his current energy cost
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> = Add an insulation blanket. Cost: ~$20 - $30
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> = Put an insulation pad underneath the water heater. Cost: ~$10
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> = Insulate any exposed water pipes. Cost: ~$10 - $25
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> = Install a 50%-DHR system. Cost: ~$700 - $1,000. In combination with the
> 2.5 gal. shower head this will save him 12x his current energy cost!
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> He'll never run out of hot water with this setup unless he as some other
> bizarre hot water requirements. So tankless is NOT necessary. Heat loss
> through a tank setup is minimal if properly insulated. He will not have to
> upgrade his service $$$$$.
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> I would definitely NOT recommend a tankless electric/gas water heater.
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> Regards,
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> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Carmine Vasile <gfx-ch at msn.com> wrote:
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> Steve, Reuben & Richard: Last week I received a call from the owner of a
> mult-head shower drawing 15 gpm of 105F water. He lives in North Carolina
> and his 40 gallon electric tank-type water heater ran out of hot water in a
> few minutes. I gave him my advice, install a tankless water heater with a
> 50%-DHR system to halve the load by recycling heat wasted down-the-drain.
> Solar is not an option.
>    What would your advice have been?
> Carmine
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> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:40:29 -0700
> From: steve at tjiang.org
> To: greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
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> Terminology:A navy shower = turn on to wet skin; turn off to soap; turn on
> to rinse.A hollywood shower = turn on full blast; start singing; soap; turn
> off a the end.
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> A thermostatic value + volume control is  way better than a navy shower
> button because you can adjust the volume down to a level just to keep you
> warm while soaping.  This may convince more people to actually use less
> water while showering than the pure "Navy shower" approach.   The downside
> is thermostatic valves and volume controls setups are expensive.
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