[Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads

Richard Garbary richard6 at gmail.com
Mon May 16 05:38:41 PDT 2011


Oooops typo:

D.I.V.O.R.C.E.:

DHR.Is.Victorious.Overcoming.Ridiculous.Consumer.Excesses.

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On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Richard Garbary <richard6 at gmail.com> wrote:

> D.I.V.I.O.R.C.E.
> DHR.Is.Victorious.Overcoming.Ridiculous.Consumer.Excesses.
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> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:43 PM, JOHN SALMEN <terrain at shaw.ca> wrote:
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>> I was trying to figure out the acronym for D.I.V.O.R.C.E.
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>> Do It Valiantly Over Reluctant Client Excesses?
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>> Do It Victimlessly Over Recalcitrant Couples Excuses?
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>> Must be some better ones out there.
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>> I’ve often wondered (after having to design numerous bathrooms that seemed
>> bigger than my house) what people are after in terms of bathing experiences.
>> My first multihead (12 – 6 per side) shower experience was in a 1920’s
>> bathroom in an upper east side building in manhattan – it wasn’t that
>> pleasant.  Considering it was a large building that is quite a water drain
>> over 90 years to date. My best shower was actually a cold water outdoor
>> shower in yugoslavia (didn’t have the coins for the immersion). My best bath
>> was a in a public bath house in sibiu.  My worst bath was in an old cold
>> farmhouse in England (where I didn’t have enough coins for the electric
>> meter).
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>> *From:* greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:
>> greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard
>> Garbary
>> *Sent:* May-15-11 3:37 PM
>> *To:* Carmine Vasile
>> *Cc:* GB Forum
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
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>> Carmine:
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>> The only solution: D.I.V.O.R.C.E.!
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>> Tough client.
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>> Regards,
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>> Richard
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>> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Carmine Vasile <gfx-ch at msn.com> wrote:
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>> Richard:  Your solution will not satisfy his wife because she made him
>> buy a multi-head shower withsix 6 2.5 gpm showerheads. I received another
>> inquiry from a homeowner with two back-to-back units that would draw 30 gpm.
>> His plumber suggested a commercial boiler costing lots of money. Carmine
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>> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:24:15 -0400
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>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
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>> From: richard6 at gmail.com
>> To: gfx-ch at msn.com
>> CC: greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org; steve at tjiang.org;
>> 9watts at gmail.com; erin at trmiles.com; sacie.lambertson at gmail.com
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>> To start with:
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>> = Keep the 40 gallon water heater. Cost: FREE
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>> = Put in a 2.5 gal/ 9 liter shower head with flow control/shutoff. Cost:
>> ~$10 - $50. This will save him 6x his current energy cost
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>> = Add an insulation blanket. Cost: ~$20 - $30
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>> = Put an insulation pad underneath the water heater. Cost: ~$10
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>> = Insulate any exposed water pipes. Cost: ~$10 - $25
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>> = Install a 50%-DHR system. Cost: ~$700 - $1,000. In combination with the
>> 2.5 gal. shower head this will save him 12x his current energy cost!
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>> He'll never run out of hot water with this setup unless he as some other
>> bizarre hot water requirements. So tankless is NOT necessary. Heat loss
>> through a tank setup is minimal if properly insulated. He will not have to
>> upgrade his service $$$$$.
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>> I would definitely NOT recommend a tankless electric/gas water heater.
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>> Regards,
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>> Richard
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>> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Carmine Vasile <gfx-ch at msn.com> wrote:
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>> Steve, Reuben & Richard: Last week I received a call from the owner of a
>> mult-head shower drawing 15 gpm of 105F water. He lives in North Carolina
>> and his 40 gallon electric tank-type water heater ran out of hot water in a
>> few minutes. I gave him my advice, install a tankless water heater with a
>> 50%-DHR system to halve the load by recycling heat wasted down-the-drain.
>> Solar is not an option.
>>    What would your advice have been?
>> Carmine
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>> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:40:29 -0700
>> From: steve at tjiang.org
>> To: greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
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>> Terminology:A navy shower = turn on to wet skin; turn off to soap; turn on
>> to rinse.A hollywood shower = turn on full blast; start singing; soap; turn
>> off a the end.
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>> A thermostatic value + volume control is  way better than a navy shower
>> button because you can adjust the volume down to a level just to keep you
>> warm while soaping.  This may convince more people to actually use less
>> water while showering than the pure "Navy shower" approach.   The downside
>> is thermostatic valves and volume controls setups are expensive.
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