[Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads

lee Weaver lgweaver at gmail.com
Tue May 17 18:36:04 PDT 2011


Why

The water goes right back into the ground.  it's not like that water is 
destroyed.
now trying to start a fight I'm truly asking a valid (IMHO) question.

Lee


On 5/15/2011 3:13 PM, Ron Cascio wrote:
> The planet cannot afford such individuals with little regard for the 
> rest of us.
> Ron
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Carmine Vasile <mailto:gfx-ch at msn.com>
>     *To:* Richard Garbary <mailto:richard6 at gmail.com>
>     *Cc:* GB Forum <mailto:greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:59 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
>
>     Richard:  Your solution will not satisfy his wife because she made
>     him buy a multi-head shower withsix 6 2.5 gpm showerheads. I
>     received another inquiry from a homeowner with two back-to-back
>     units that would draw 30 gpm. His plumber suggested a commercial
>     boiler costing lots of money. Carmine
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:24:15 -0400
>     Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
>     From: richard6 at gmail.com <mailto:richard6 at gmail.com>
>     To: gfx-ch at msn.com <mailto:gfx-ch at msn.com>
>     CC: greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org
>     <mailto:greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>; steve at tjiang.org;
>     9watts at gmail.com; erin at trmiles.com; sacie.lambertson at gmail.com
>
>     To start with:
>
>     = Keep the 40 gallon water heater. Cost: FREE
>     = Put in a 2.5 gal/ 9 liter shower head with flow control/shutoff.
>     Cost: ~$10 - $50. This will save him 6x his current energy cost
>     = Add an insulation blanket. Cost: ~$20 - $30
>     = Put an insulation pad underneath the water heater. Cost: ~$10
>     = Insulate any exposed water pipes. Cost: ~$10 - $25
>     = Install a 50%-DHR system. Cost: ~$700 - $1,000. In combination
>     with the 2.5 gal. shower head this will save him 12x his current
>     energy cost!
>
>     He'll never run out of hot water with this setup unless he as some
>     other bizarre hot water requirements. So tankless is NOT
>     necessary. Heat loss through a tank setup is minimal if properly
>     insulated. He will not have to upgrade his service $$$$$.
>
>     I would definitely NOT recommend a tankless electric/gas water heater.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Richard
>
>
>     =========================================================================================
>     On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Carmine Vasile <gfx-ch at msn.com
>     <mailto:gfx-ch at msn.com>> wrote:
>
>         Steve, Reuben & Richard: Last week I received a call from the
>         owner of a mult-head shower drawing 15 gpm of 105F water. He
>         lives in North Carolina and his 40 gallon electric tank-type
>         water heater ran out of hot water in a few minutes. I gave him
>         my advice, install a tankless water heater with a 50%-DHR
>         system to halve the load by recycling heat wasted
>         down-the-drain. Solar is not an option.
>            What would your advice have been?
>         Carmine
>
>         Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:40:29 -0700
>         From: steve at tjiang.org <mailto:steve at tjiang.org>
>         To: greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org
>         <mailto:greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>         Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads
>
>
>         Terminology:A navy shower = turn on to wet skin; turn off to
>         soap; turn on to rinse.A hollywood shower = turn on full
>         blast; start singing; soap; turn off a the end.
>
>         A thermostatic value + volume control is  way better than a
>         navy shower button because you can adjust the volume down to a
>         level just to keep you warm while soaping.  This may convince
>         more people to actually use less water while showering than
>         the pure "Navy shower" approach.   The downside is
>         thermostatic valves and volume controls setups are expensive.
>         <snipped>
>
>
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