[Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads

J Messerschmidt john at fourpointscg.com
Wed May 18 11:49:57 PDT 2011


Sorry, I can't help but chime in here.

 

"Soon as in as soon as as soon as we ensure that politics stop getting in
the way..."

 

You're waiting for THAT? 

Dude, I don't think you're paying close enough attention to what's going on.
;-)

 

 

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[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of lee
Weaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Green Building
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads

 

>>Care to elaborate? Do you have a timetable in mind when you say 'soon'? 

Soon as in as soon as as soon as we ensure that politics stop getting in the
way.  All politics,  all agendas need to be set aside and it needs to be
focused upon.  then it will be solved.  This won't be easy as the big Oil
coal companies will fight it tooth and nail.

>>So, what does the aluminum recycling industry make out of ground up soft
drink cans?

Doing my part here i haven't drank soda in years.

>>Do you imagine that the rubber that wears off the water bureau's truck's
tires is collected, scraped off the asphalt, and somehow allowed to reenter
the tire-making process? 

You have me there.  and I see no way at this time to replace that rubber
with a more sustainable alternative,  but I'm no expert in the field.  I
wouldn't call me an expert an the 'Green' area of knowledge either,  that's
why i read the lists and from time to time ask questions.  like I did this
time.

When I asked "Are there non sustainable materials used in purification?"  I
was actually referring to the actual purification processing not the
infrastructure that is in most cases already in place, and lasts for a long
time.

Lee
On 5/18/2011 11:13 AM, Reuben Deumling wrote: 

 

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:05 AM, lee Weaver <lgweaver at gmail.com> wrote:

>>I am not preoccupied with costs in financial terms as much as in the
materials and energy that are ground up in the process. Low entropy isn't
something you can buy back with money.

This may be the statement that may "Shine a light"  for me.  Are there non
sustainable materials used in purification?

yes, pretty much everything. How about the electricity to run pumps for
starters? The materials that are locked in every bit of infrastructure:
rubber, steel, aluminum, plastics, copper... take your pick. It is all being
mined and degraded and dispersed. Do you imagine that the rubber that wears
off the water bureau's truck's tires is collected, scraped off the asphalt,
and somehow allowed to reenter the tire-making process? We don't even do a
very good job of collecting the worn out tires themselves. Not to mention
the energy required to separate the steel belting out of the crumbly rubber.
You probably realize that the favorite poster child of the recycling
industry, the aluminum soft drink can, isn't actually recycled back into
aluminum soft drink cans? The alloy of the lid and the alloy of the rest of
the can are sufficiently different that when you smash them up you get an
alloy that is not useful to make either the lid or the can body. So, what
does the aluminum recycling industry make out of ground up soft drink cans?
Window frames that leak heat and engine blocks that disperse it. 
Pass the entropy, please. I'd like another helping.


I'm not worrying about the energy since i believe that we will soon solve
the energy issues we have,  and finally break free of fossil fuel
consumption.

Ah, I see. Yes, well. 




Care to elaborate? Do you have a timetable in mind when you say 'soon'? 

 

 
 
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