[Greenbuilding] Microwaved water

Mon Sep 26 12:42:36 CDT 2011

"The physics of heating water... is pretty well understood"
Just playing devils advocate here but it is my understanding that the core
of science is to constantly retest well understood physics because it is
also pretty well understood that just because something goes pop a thousand
times doesn't mean it will go pop 1001th time. But if your point is simply
that boiling water is low on our list of things to retest then point taken.
:)
Although I am pretty adamant about retesting the theory of boiling water. I
retest it every day. You can never be too sure. I just tested it five
minutes ago. Drinking tea now. :)

Gennaro Brooks-Church

Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
www.EcoBrooklyn.com
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Jeff Martin <jeff at open2learn.ca> wrote:

>  The physics of heating water, be it by microwave energy or energy of
> another wavelength range, is pretty well understood. I can think of many
> other widely held beliefs in our society that are far more worthy of close
> inspection and challenge. In addition, I don't think Albert would have been
> shattered to learn that his theories are not all-encompassing and eternal
> (and it might be early in the game to assume that CERN is right!)... Jeff
>
>
> On 26/09/2011 12:50 PM, natural building wrote:
>
> I love it when people (usually with lots of letters after their names) come
> out with categoric statements like: 'This is NOT true'!
>
>  If all those people had been 'right' the world would still be flat and
> we'd be feeding Thalidomide to pregnant mothers!
>
>  History is saturated with accounts of supposedly intelligent people
> making claims that are later proved to be wrong. We continue to learn. And
> if there's one thing that History teaches us (if we aren't too clever to
> learn) it's that what we THINK is an absolute truth, probably isn't.
>
>  Hey, CERN has just discovered that neutrinos might travel faster than the
> speed of light.
> Damn, another 'absolute' belief going out the window... ! Sorry Albert.
> Nice try.
>
>  In healthy 'disbelief'
>
>     Steve Satow
>
>  www.naturalbuildingsite.net
> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
>
>  On 2011-09-26, at 8:49 AM, Joe Killian wrote:
>
>    Having spent 21 total years in school culminating in a PhD program in
> Atmospheric Physics, let me say that the poisoned water from a microwave
> story is pure paranoid fancy and you should be careful what you choose to
> believe.
>   Joe
>
>
>
> On 9/26/2011 8:31 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
>
> Maybe somebody on this list with a microwave can do the test? Seems like a
> pretty big deal worth looking into?
>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM, natural building <
> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> While  I make no claims as to whether the 'microwaved water' story is true
>> or false.
>> I do question whether 'Snopes' is the right authority with which to
>> categorically dismiss it!
>>
>>  Regards,
>>      Steve Satow
>>
>>  www.naturalbuildingsite.net
>> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
>>
>>  On 2011-09-26, at 8:03 AM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
>>
>>  Gennaro,
>> when I read your message i knew the plant experiment couldn't be true.
>> I googled it, and I was right. Here is one link.
>> http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp
>> Ben
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn
>> <info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Any thoughts out there about microwaves and radiation? Also I've seen
>> those
>>
>> tests where plants watered with water that was first boiled in a microwave
>>
>> died. I've avoided microwaves for these reasons.
>>
>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>
>>
>>  Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>
>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>>
>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, elitalking <elitalking at rockbridge.net>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>   Induction stoves are great.  I learned about them from this list.  My
>> wife
>>
>>  started out a little skeptical, but is not a believer.  We are moving
>>
>>  towards grid tied photovoltaic.  The most efficient cooking is
>> microwave. It
>>
>>  heats the water first which is the food.  The ceramic or glass container
>> is
>>
>>   heated by conduction from the food.   We do not use plastic.  However,
>> some
>>
>>  foods like stir fried vegetables, boiled foods or some bread baking do
>> not
>>
>>  work in microwave.  Foods that require a lot of boiling or frying go to
>>
>>   induction stove top.  Foods that require baking go to Brevell Oven.
>>  This
>>
>>  used a typical heat element, but it is smaller than typical oven.  The
>>
>>  controls are very precise for heating temp and time.  It is big enough
>> for
>>
>>   almost all we cook.  The big Thanksgiving Turkey is the only dinner
>> event it
>>
>>  could not handle.  However, we discovered that we cut the Turkey up and
>> it
>>
>>  is able to cook half the Turkey which is more than enough for our
>>
>>  traditionally glutinous meal.  It is the least efficient of three.
>>  However,
>>
>>  it's smaller size and superior control makes it far more efficient than
>> the
>>
>>   traditional range, gas or electric.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Benjamin Pratt writes:
>>
>>
>>   In my case, with a house that I've tried to tighten-up, but which is
>>
>>   still somewhat leaky--I don't exhaust any of the heat from my gas
>>
>>  stove. So it's very efficient--any energy that does not cook the food,
>>
>>  helps to heat the house.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   My comment:
>>
>>
>>   The inefficient appliance that produces waste heat is only a benefit
>>
>>  during the heating season.  In the summer it is an additional liability
>> for
>>
>>  comfort or cooling cost of removing that heat.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Eli
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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