[Greenbuilding] Microwaved water

Jeff Martin jeff at open2learn.ca
Mon Sep 26 12:32:20 CDT 2011


The physics of heating water, be it by microwave energy or energy of 
another wavelength range, is pretty well understood. I can think of many 
other widely held beliefs in our society that are far more worthy of 
close inspection and challenge. In addition, I don't think Albert would 
have been shattered to learn that his theories are not all-encompassing 
and eternal (and it might be early in the game to assume that CERN is 
right!)... Jeff

On 26/09/2011 12:50 PM, natural building wrote:
> I love it when people (usually with lots of letters after their names) 
> come out with categoric statements like: 'This is NOT true'!
>
> If all those people had been 'right' the world would still be flat and 
> we'd be feeding Thalidomide to pregnant mothers!
>
> History is saturated with accounts of supposedly intelligent people 
> making claims that are later proved to be wrong. We continue to learn. 
> And if there's one thing that History teaches us (if we aren't too 
> clever to learn) it's that what we THINK is an absolute truth, 
> probably isn't.
>
> Hey, CERN has just discovered that neutrinos might travel faster than 
> the speed of light.
> Damn, another 'absolute' belief going out the window... ! Sorry 
> Albert. Nice try.
>
> In healthy 'disbelief'
>
> Steve Satow
>
> www.naturalbuildingsite.net <http://www.naturalbuildingsite.net>
> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca <mailto:naturalbuilding at shaw.ca>
>
> On 2011-09-26, at 8:49 AM, Joe Killian wrote:
>
>>   Having spent 21 total years in school culminating in a PhD program 
>> in Atmospheric Physics, let me say that the poisoned water from a 
>> microwave story is pure paranoid fancy and you should be careful what 
>> you choose to believe.
>>   Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/2011 8:31 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
>>> Maybe somebody on this list with a microwave can do the test? Seems 
>>> like a pretty big deal worth looking into?
>>>
>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>
>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com/>
>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM, natural building 
>>> <naturalbuilding at shaw.ca <mailto:naturalbuilding at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     While  I make no claims as to whether the 'microwaved water'
>>>     story is true or false.
>>>     I do question whether 'Snopes' is the right authority with which
>>>     to categorically dismiss it!
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Steve Satow
>>>
>>>     www.naturalbuildingsite.net <http://www.naturalbuildingsite.net/>
>>>     naturalbuilding at shaw.ca <mailto:naturalbuilding at shaw.ca>
>>>
>>>     On 2011-09-26, at 8:03 AM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Gennaro,
>>>>     when I read your message i knew the plant experiment couldn't
>>>>     be true.
>>>>     I googled it, and I was right. Here is one link.
>>>>     http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp
>>>>     Ben
>>>>
>>>>     On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco
>>>>     Brooklyn
>>>>     <info at ecobrooklyn.com <mailto:info at ecobrooklyn.com>> wrote:
>>>>>     Any thoughts out there about microwaves and radiation? Also
>>>>>     I've seen those
>>>>>     tests where plants watered with water that was first boiled in
>>>>>     a microwave
>>>>>     died. I've avoided microwaves for these reasons.
>>>>>     Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>>>
>>>>>     Cell: 1 347 244 3016 <tel:1%20347%20244%203016> USA
>>>>>     www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com/>
>>>>>     22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, elitalking
>>>>>     <elitalking at rockbridge.net <mailto:elitalking at rockbridge.net>>
>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Induction stoves are great.  I learned about them from this
>>>>>>     list.  My wife
>>>>>>     started out a little skeptical, but is not a believer.  We
>>>>>>     are moving
>>>>>>     towards grid tied photovoltaic.  The most efficient cooking
>>>>>>     is microwave. It
>>>>>>     heats the water first which is the food.  The ceramic or
>>>>>>     glass container is
>>>>>>     heated by conduction from the food.   We do not use plastic.
>>>>>>      However, some
>>>>>>     foods like stir fried vegetables, boiled foods or some bread
>>>>>>     baking do not
>>>>>>     work in microwave.  Foods that require a lot of boiling or
>>>>>>     frying go to
>>>>>>     induction stove top.  Foods that require baking go to Brevell
>>>>>>     Oven.  This
>>>>>>     used a typical heat element, but it is smaller than typical
>>>>>>     oven.  The
>>>>>>     controls are very precise for heating temp and time.  It is
>>>>>>     big enough for
>>>>>>     almost all we cook.  The big Thanksgiving Turkey is the only
>>>>>>     dinner event it
>>>>>>     could not handle.  However, we discovered that we cut the
>>>>>>     Turkey up and it
>>>>>>     is able to cook half the Turkey which is more than enough for our
>>>>>>     traditionally glutinous meal.  It is the least efficient of
>>>>>>     three.  However,
>>>>>>     it's smaller size and superior control makes it far more
>>>>>>     efficient than the
>>>>>>     traditional range, gas or electric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Benjamin Pratt writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     In my case, with a house that I've tried to tighten-up, but
>>>>>>     which is
>>>>>>     still somewhat leaky--I don't exhaust any of the heat from my gas
>>>>>>     stove. So it's very efficient--any energy that does not cook
>>>>>>     the food,
>>>>>>     helps to heat the house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     My comment:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     The inefficient appliance that produces waste heat is only a
>>>>>>     benefit
>>>>>>     during the heating season.  In the summer it is an additional
>>>>>>     liability for
>>>>>>     comfort or cooling cost of removing that heat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Eli
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>     b e n j a m i n p r a t t
>>>>
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>>>>     the university of wisconsin stout
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