[Greenbuilding] Microwaved water
Jeff Martin
jeff at open2learn.ca
Mon Sep 26 12:32:20 CDT 2011
The physics of heating water, be it by microwave energy or energy of
another wavelength range, is pretty well understood. I can think of many
other widely held beliefs in our society that are far more worthy of
close inspection and challenge. In addition, I don't think Albert would
have been shattered to learn that his theories are not all-encompassing
and eternal (and it might be early in the game to assume that CERN is
right!)... Jeff
On 26/09/2011 12:50 PM, natural building wrote:
> I love it when people (usually with lots of letters after their names)
> come out with categoric statements like: 'This is NOT true'!
>
> If all those people had been 'right' the world would still be flat and
> we'd be feeding Thalidomide to pregnant mothers!
>
> History is saturated with accounts of supposedly intelligent people
> making claims that are later proved to be wrong. We continue to learn.
> And if there's one thing that History teaches us (if we aren't too
> clever to learn) it's that what we THINK is an absolute truth,
> probably isn't.
>
> Hey, CERN has just discovered that neutrinos might travel faster than
> the speed of light.
> Damn, another 'absolute' belief going out the window... ! Sorry
> Albert. Nice try.
>
> In healthy 'disbelief'
>
> Steve Satow
>
> www.naturalbuildingsite.net <http://www.naturalbuildingsite.net>
> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca <mailto:naturalbuilding at shaw.ca>
>
> On 2011-09-26, at 8:49 AM, Joe Killian wrote:
>
>> Having spent 21 total years in school culminating in a PhD program
>> in Atmospheric Physics, let me say that the poisoned water from a
>> microwave story is pure paranoid fancy and you should be careful what
>> you choose to believe.
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/2011 8:31 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
>>> Maybe somebody on this list with a microwave can do the test? Seems
>>> like a pretty big deal worth looking into?
>>>
>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>
>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com/>
>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM, natural building
>>> <naturalbuilding at shaw.ca <mailto:naturalbuilding at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I make no claims as to whether the 'microwaved water'
>>> story is true or false.
>>> I do question whether 'Snopes' is the right authority with which
>>> to categorically dismiss it!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Steve Satow
>>>
>>> www.naturalbuildingsite.net <http://www.naturalbuildingsite.net/>
>>> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca <mailto:naturalbuilding at shaw.ca>
>>>
>>> On 2011-09-26, at 8:03 AM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gennaro,
>>>> when I read your message i knew the plant experiment couldn't
>>>> be true.
>>>> I googled it, and I was right. Here is one link.
>>>> http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco
>>>> Brooklyn
>>>> <info at ecobrooklyn.com <mailto:info at ecobrooklyn.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Any thoughts out there about microwaves and radiation? Also
>>>>> I've seen those
>>>>> tests where plants watered with water that was first boiled in
>>>>> a microwave
>>>>> died. I've avoided microwaves for these reasons.
>>>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>>>
>>>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 <tel:1%20347%20244%203016> USA
>>>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com/>
>>>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, elitalking
>>>>> <elitalking at rockbridge.net <mailto:elitalking at rockbridge.net>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Induction stoves are great. I learned about them from this
>>>>>> list. My wife
>>>>>> started out a little skeptical, but is not a believer. We
>>>>>> are moving
>>>>>> towards grid tied photovoltaic. The most efficient cooking
>>>>>> is microwave. It
>>>>>> heats the water first which is the food. The ceramic or
>>>>>> glass container is
>>>>>> heated by conduction from the food. We do not use plastic.
>>>>>> However, some
>>>>>> foods like stir fried vegetables, boiled foods or some bread
>>>>>> baking do not
>>>>>> work in microwave. Foods that require a lot of boiling or
>>>>>> frying go to
>>>>>> induction stove top. Foods that require baking go to Brevell
>>>>>> Oven. This
>>>>>> used a typical heat element, but it is smaller than typical
>>>>>> oven. The
>>>>>> controls are very precise for heating temp and time. It is
>>>>>> big enough for
>>>>>> almost all we cook. The big Thanksgiving Turkey is the only
>>>>>> dinner event it
>>>>>> could not handle. However, we discovered that we cut the
>>>>>> Turkey up and it
>>>>>> is able to cook half the Turkey which is more than enough for our
>>>>>> traditionally glutinous meal. It is the least efficient of
>>>>>> three. However,
>>>>>> it's smaller size and superior control makes it far more
>>>>>> efficient than the
>>>>>> traditional range, gas or electric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benjamin Pratt writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my case, with a house that I've tried to tighten-up, but
>>>>>> which is
>>>>>> still somewhat leaky--I don't exhaust any of the heat from my gas
>>>>>> stove. So it's very efficient--any energy that does not cook
>>>>>> the food,
>>>>>> helps to heat the house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My comment:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The inefficient appliance that produces waste heat is only a
>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>> during the heating season. In the summer it is an additional
>>>>>> liability for
>>>>>> comfort or cooling cost of removing that heat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eli
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> b e n j a m i n p r a t t
>>>>
>>>> professor art+design
>>>> the university of wisconsin stout
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